As most of you are well aware I am an anti-borg to say the least. Well
here is the latest I found out today. Local lumberyard tells me that
they are getting a lot of people saying they are out of line with
regard to pricing on 250' boxes of 12-2 romex. Salesman calls a fellow
salesman at the borg and says "wtf is up with this"? Borg salesman
replies, "ahhh, hehe, you don't realize that corporate changed all our
wire to 200' boxes instead of 250' ". The new packaging minimally
mentions the footage in the box as opposed to the old packaging.
This of course goes along with Kellogs putting a couple ounces less
ceral in the same box for the same price, Lays and other chip makers
doing the same for chips, and so on. These minimal reductions (not to
say that 50' of wire is minimal) of course add up to millions of
dollars across the nation. Whats odd is why there would not be a
notice posted in the wire isle telling the guy who figured a job for
750' of wire that he now needs 4 boxes instead of the three he has
bought for the last 35 years.
Yet we still question,
Well getting less food is probably a good thing. We all probably need to
As for the Borg pricing in Houston, the Borg has just about always been the
highest place to buy. Same items at the local hard ware store are less
The Borg is convenient, and that is its only value IMHO.
Simple Marketing. Most people will notice a price change, MUCH
quicker than they will notice a quantity change. Which means a
quantity change will have less impact on sales than a price change.
Which, ultimately, makes it a much more desireable way to raise
prices, for a bean-counter with his eye on the bottom line.
Nobody ever went broke by understimating the stupidity of the average
-Kevin in Indy - who's got an Orange Borg & Green Borg within 2 miles
- Woodcraft & 84 Lumber, 3 miles, Blue Borg, 4 miles, Harbor Freight &
Rockler 5 miles, Sears Hardware & Ace Hardware, 6 miles. I think I'm
about to be assimilated.
To reply, remove (+spamproof+) from address........
Wait a minute. The OP said people noticed the wire was cheaper at the
borg, so they put less wire in the box AND they lowered the price.
Honestly, as a consumer it is up to you to keep track of what you are
paying. Yeah, maybe they cut the amount of wire by 20% and only
lowered the price by 15% but you can easily figure that out.
I like the bogs. I like Rockler and Woodcraft. I like mon and pop
stores but on the things that matter I know who charges what and if
they are mostly too expensive, I stop shopping there. Typically the
borg has pretty good prices but if it is something I buy often or is
expensive, I see who has the best price before I buy.
I am not sure about the pricing but I will make a call tomorrow and
post what I find. I am pretty confident that the price likely doesnt
reflect the reduction to 200' quantity in the box however I am also
pretty comfortable that they are not charging for 200' of wire the
same as they did for 250'. Its likely a split somewhere in the middle.
The fact of the matter is if you cant see when a company is willfully
changing an industry standard in an attempt to deceive consumers to
maintain sales, then you should be on the board or are perhaps a
corporate lawyer. I agree with you 100 percent that it is ultimately
up to the consumer to monitor purchases and that they inffact have
driven the industry to where it is. This will however become a
fulltime job and would apply to every single item you purchase if this
became the practice as a whole.
The system that you propose support of is infact working in reverse.
Rather than a corporation being supported by satisfied customers, the
corporation is trying to sustain itself through customer deceit. This
has actually basically been their mission statement from the get go.
Of course if the bigger system truley works, this deceit should result
in dissatisfaction which should result in change, and if refused,
On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:29:23 -0700 (PDT), BDBConstruction
I can't reply about industry standards, not being in the industry, but in
California and Arizona, the borgs use "unit pricing" like the grocery stores
do.. just check how much per foot each place wants and buy the best deal..
Please remove splinters before emailing
post what I find.
I can remember a time when a wire quote was only good for 1/2 day.
With the price of scrap copper above $3/lb, I'm surprised the wire people
aren't quoting price in effect at time of shipment.
It's been done before.
Wire quotes here are by the week right now on quantity. We buy our
wire in 1000' reels and onesey twosey so it doesnt really affect us
but thats what the supply house has been telling us for months.
Prior to that it was daily pricing but wire has settled down a bit.
Here is another one that gets me. I was in the grocery store a while
back and decided that I would buy some Pringles (don't ask me why).
They had two-packs on the shelf and I figured that they MUST be a deal.
When I actually looked at the pricing, it was 10 cents CHEAPER to buy
two single tubes than the two-pack. I saw that on other things in the
store too. Not always, but enough to know you have to check.
Blue and Orange Borg directly across the street from each other about 3
mi west with a green about a mile further down the same road. Big B
about 4 mi east. Fortunately, Rockler is about 25 miles away with a HF
right next door to it, and Woodcraft is about 35 miles away down a
different highway. UNfortunately, my favorite True Value was forced out
of business by the city. Ace is about 12mi. Only places to buy good
hardwood are 25mi, 35 mi, and 50 miles away with the two closer places
being very small with minimal selection, and the last one is a
MacBeath's in the Peoples Republic of Bezerkely.
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