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Take a look at: <http://www.forbes.com/2003/09/17/0917homedepotpinnacor.html
ah, the times we live in.
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I was shocked to learn that they did not have this already...

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snipped-for-privacy@swbell.net says...

They currently have analog cameras and VCR's. What is interesting and perhaps a little troubling is with the new technology, they can keep the imagery indefinitely.

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Mark & Juanita wrote:

Remind me not to go to the Despot with toilet paper stuck to my shoe.
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 04:33:42 -0400, Silvan

I've got to stop adjusting myself in the store.
Barry
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B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote:

Why? He or she who spies on me does so at their own peril :)
Dick
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I only hope one of their marketing specialists will see why they find so many carts abandoned, full of merchandise ... when we can't get anyone to help us.
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B a r r y B u r k e J r . wrote in rec.woodworking

Hmmm, better stop scratchin my butt in the tools section.
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Keep_it_in_the_newsgroup snipped-for-privacy@aol.com says...

Particularly if you plan to pursue a career in politics someday. :)
Abe
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 17:15:18 +0000, B a r r y B u r k e J r. wrote:

Why? You just might get an offer from a professional baseball team ;-)
-Doug
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That reminds me, 2 weeks ago I went to the local county tax office to dispute the tax value of my home. As I sat in a room of about 100 people waiting for someone to see me up comes a lady to the front of the room and sits down in front of every body. She had about 2 feet of toilet paper sticking out of the back of her pants. I commended myself silently for not busting out laughing...
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So what? "I" have the same technology at my HOUSE. I took an old E-Machine, added a Grand e-Guard video capture card (http://www.grandtec.com/eguard.htm ) from Ebay ($30), a few inexpensive CCTV cameras from Super Circuits (http://www.supercircuits.com ), and my computer logs any movement on my property. The software that came with the video capture card allows a grid to be placed over each camera image and only movement within that grid will be stored to the hard drive. I can also access the LIVE video from any other computer.
Crime has increased to the point that I feel the need to now monitor my yard and house. I already had one camper stolen while I was at work. (http://www.2manytoyz.com/stolen.html ) A few months back, my replacement camper was almost stolen too. A neighbor happened to see what was going on at 4:30 AM. She called the cops and the bad guy beat feet when he saw her, leaving a stolen truck parked in my yard. Not long before that, a gang of kids went through all the cars parked outside, breaking in them and stealing anything they could find. Another neighbor saw them and the cops nabbed a few, which ratted on the rest. None of the criminals live in the neighborhood, but apparently, it's worthwhile to "shop" here. Numerous houses have been robbed.
My images are recorded daily, recorded electronically. I can share them with the world, but so what. Ya wanna see the meter reader walking through my yard? Probably no more than he wants to see you at the BORG. Want to see me at my BORG?... hang out there, I'll be along shortly. Take pictures if you want.
Ever go to a bank, any chain store, an airport, or even 7-11? You have been recorded for years, probably daily. As long as you ain't up to nuthin', you got nuthin' to worry about. The next scumbag that tries something at my place is in trouble. I'll post their pics online FOREVER, then hunt them down. --- Insert psychotic laughter here ---
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2003 05:50:07 GMT, Mark & Juanita

This is highly unlikely. Digital video, even at reduced resolution and with realtime compression, eats through disk space like you wouldn't believe. 12 cameras going 24/7 is a lot of bits to store. No matter how much disk space they install, eventually it's going to fill up. Then it either has to be deleted or backed up to some other medium. It's pretty unlikely they would go to the expense of making the backups and storing them. More likely they have enough disk space to store as many days as they think is worthwhile to keep.
The real advantage is that with an analog tape the tape is recorded on over and over again until it degrades to the point of having to be replaced. With digital you don't have to deal with tape wear, or cleaning the heads on the vcrs. And a server takes up less space than a bank of vcrs. But on the other hand, you don't have to worry about the vcr crashing.
-Leuf
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Leuf wrote:

Don't have to worry about the computer crashing either if they had the good sense to base their system around pretty much any OS that didn't come from Microsoft. :)
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wrote: : This is highly unlikely. Digital video, even at reduced resolution : and with realtime compression, eats through disk space like you : wouldn't believe. 12 cameras going 24/7 is a lot of bits to store. : No matter how much disk space they install, eventually it's going to : fill up. Then it either has to be deleted or backed up to some other : medium. It's pretty unlikely they would go to the expense of making : the backups and storing them. More likely they have enough disk space : to store as many days as they think is worthwhile to keep. : : The real advantage is that with an analog tape the tape is recorded on : over and over again until it degrades to the point of having to be : replaced. With digital you don't have to deal with tape wear, or : cleaning the heads on the vcrs. And a server takes up less space than : a bank of vcrs. But on the other hand, you don't have to worry about : the vcr crashing. : The real benefit is the speed at which you can "fast forward" to a time and date. With a digital system like we have here, I can type in the exact time I want to view, and the camera. It also has range/zone alerts, which are usefull for checking afterhour visitors. We keep two weeks of data here, then it gets overwrittend.
Harddrives have a limit on reading writing also, so they have to be "cleaned" (trashed) and replaced. Most units don't use windows, so crashing isn't normally a problem. Things I can do:
1. Verify employee hours, even when I'm not here. 2. Watch individuals with keys during off hours (in the place) 3. Check outgoing stock/ incomming. 4. Know when the mailman came.
I spend less time checking the camera daily than I did writing this.
(Normal non-affiliation garbage here, www.dedicatedmicros.com, model D4) (Well, some affiliation, I sell them occasionally, but I don't work for them)
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I think they used the word 'indefinitely' incorrectly, probably meaning they can keep info longer. Statute of limitations would apply to any 'crimes' commited and recorded. Unless someone was murdered, I would see no reason to keep this data forever.
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Not near as much space as you'd think. Even the inexpensive card I have has 300:1 compression. It can also be set to only record movement, which greatly reduces the amount being recorded. I used a Sylvania 960 hour time lapse VCR, but recently switched to this: http://www.grandtec.com/eguard.htm .
I can record weeks worth of constant video (not just movement) on the hard drive. Once the drive is full, it will write over the oldest video if I select that option. If I ran a business, I could dump a weeks worth of data on a few DVDs. I just bought Verbatim 4X DVDs at Circuit City for $36 for 30 disks.
That single time lapse VCR was only a single channel. So to record multiple cameras, either a sequencer is needed, or a quad splitter. This gets to be more expensive and troublesome than the digital setup. My VCR died a little over a year after buying it ($399). The computer now recording my video is 5 years old and is still running strong. Oh, and I paid $399 for that computer too. ;-)
Unlike movies, security videos typically run at a slower frame rate, also reducing the amount of space needed.

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As long as it's prominently announced with signage as I walk into the store I have little problem it.
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That's the reality of being in PUBLIC. I'm a big privacy advocate also, but anything I'm doing in public, in full view of anyone who might be watching, is by definition NOT private, and thus not a privacy issue.
You have a reasonable expectation of privacy in bathroom stalls and dressing rooms. You don't have it in any place or area where another person could happen upon you.
Kevin
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I figure that, if I am not doing anything I am ashamed of, why would I worry about them taking my picture. Of course, I am usually covered in sawdust when I go in there....
Dick "non-photogenic" Durbin
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