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The home tube is 1.5" vert and the commercial tube is 2". The right extension table is is clearly more than 1.5" and the tube appears to be roughly same vertical thickness of the ext table
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:

I don't know about the Biesemeyer fences but with the Jet line the difference between the "Homeshop" and the "Commercial" fence is the thickness of the steel walls of the tubing in both the fence and the front rail.
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:>

Nope, the home shop fence uses 1.5" high tubes. I just measured mine. Sounds like you don't know what you've got. Lucky you.
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this saw advertises the commercial fence. A tool store here in town had a demo with the commercial and home shop models side by side. tha commercial fence weighs about twice as much as the home shop fence, is considerably more rigid and costs quite a bit more.

It says it has a cabinet mounted trunnion, which makes it a cabinet saw in my book.

the motor is small and it only rips 30". And note that this 1-3/4 HP motor is searz' "Maximum Developed" horsepower.

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Hi Ed,
Hey, if you'd like to provide me enough of the particulars so I can ask The Question for you right at the horse' mouth I'd be happy to make a stop and ask it for you. I drive right by the Biesemeyer office every time I go to a particular Wally Whirled anyway so it wouldn't be a great bother. (It might even be a good excuse to stop in and take a look!)
I'm not kidding -- the Biesemeyer place really is just a couple of miles up the street and right next to the Junk Yard along the RR tracks. Just phrase your question so I don't embarrass myself (I mean so that They Can Figure Out What You're Asking) and I'll be happy to show it to them and relay their answer.
Now please don't take this wrong; I'm juat offering to be helpful :-)
-- Steve www.ApacheTrail.com/ww/ Penury is the mother of invention!
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I know what the Biesemeyer people call a commercial fence. It is larger and heavier duty that the home shop fence. It is 42 or 48" long as opposed to the 36" that I have. Commercial shops are more likely to cut large panels all day than you or I are.
My question is more about what others, such as Craftsman, consider a commercial fence. They put the Bies home shop fence on a saw and call it "commercial" grade. Slick marketing? OTOH, it is a very good fence.
I appreciate the offer, but I think Sears marketing should answer this question. Ed
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You didn't seem to know you had a commercial size fence above
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You're right. It was brought to my attention yesterday. The dimensions were not easily found on the Biesemeyer web page, but after others mentioned it, I finally found them. Ed
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Ed Pawlowski writes:

Less so than in the past, I think. But, then, IME, marketing practices almost always border on the deceptive.
Charlie Self "Bore, n.: A person who talks when you wish him to listen." Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary
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There is a small review of this new model in American Woodworker, # 108, July 2004, which just arrived in my mailbox yesterday. Some quotes: "Craftsman started from the ground up... redesigning its 10-in. tablesaws... Sears designers did their homework... listening to customers and addressing their concerns.... All three look like cabinet saws... In fact their trunnion systems more closely resembles the type found on contractor saws than on a conventional contractor or hybrid saw... more rigid.. All are left tilt machines... "
They actually look pretty nice to me...

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I stopped by Sears today and looked at the saw being discussed. The table has one 12" solid steel extension on either side of the table. There was a cheap looking mdf extension added to the one on the right side. There was also a stamped steel table extending out the back approximately 24", and it was also about 24" wide. It was hinged to the rear of the saw and had a single collapsible brace that allowed it to be lowered to a vertical position behind the saw. It didn't look like it was very strong, but it would probably work.
The motor had a single flat belt that was approximately 5/8" wide and maybe 1/8" thick. Looked pretty skimpy to me, but those types of belts are pretty strong. I would think it would be smooth running, though. I remember someone wanting to know if the trunnion was mounted to the table, or the cabinet (I think that is the way it was posed). A sign said "base mounted trunnion" but it sure looked like it was bolted to the bottom of the table. I guess they mean the base of the table. I did not see anything bolted or attached to the cabinet except the table, but my knees started giving out and I had to stand back up. The mechanism was definitely heavier than the open stand model that I have, but I would guess it is a far cry from some of the bigger saws. I have never seen the guts of a high priced cabinet saw.
The Biesemeyer fence does not say anything about being a commercial version, but someone else said that the commercial fence was 2" tall and the home fence was only 1.5" tall. This one was 2" tall and stuck out passed the rear of the table about 10-12". A little later I stopped in at a Rockler's (it just happened to be on the way home) and the fence on the Sears saw looked to be the same fence that was on the new Delta X5. Even had the same labels on it. By the way, the "tape" showed 31" to the right but I don't think the fence could use all of that without falling off the end. Could probably get 28". I couldn't slide the fence over to find out because there was something else behind the saw that blocked it.
It also came with a miter gauge that had an extruded aluminum extension on it. Maybe 18-20" worth. Don't remember if it extended further, or whether or not it had a built-in stop block. And it also had an included hold-down. Other than that I didn't pay it much attention. If you would be doing some serious work that required a good, solid, accurate miter gauge, you would probably want to replace it anyway.
Didn't have a lot of time to examine it further, and I don't think the sales people would have been very helpful anyway. It is worth the $899 price tag? My personal opinion is no, but I'm really a cheap bastard. $600??? Yeah, probably.
Wayne

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No One N writes:

You've got a treat coming. I spent some time last week gazing into the innards of a Powermatic 66 and a General.
Charlie Self "The test and the use of man's education is that he finds pleasure in the exercise of his mind." Jacques Barzun
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You have a $300 fence. Is the saw worth $300. I think Yes.
Check the pulleys and belt. If it has a single belt you might look at the linkbelt
On Thu, 27 May 2004 02:07:44 GMT, "John Pilhoefer"

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