Table Saw purchase question

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Unless there is name swapping going on, Tyrone was not the OP. The OPP alleges to be "buckwheat."
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Thanks, Larry.
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Completely agree. Putting the cost aside, it's no different than a seat belt in a car. Just common sense.
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On 06 Mar 2014 17:00:43 GMT, Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote:

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Exactly! Some 40+ years ago I got the very tip of my thumb into the blade when I flicked a piece of waste close by as the blade was winding down. With poor florescent lighting I realized later that you can't always see the real edge of the blade.
Every since then I work up a good case of fear, terror and respect for the blade before I even turn the saw on. It keeps my mind centered and not distracted. About like holding a loaded gun with the safety off. :-)
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For the last ten years I've used a table saw daily, and for thirty or so years prior to that, I'd used one at least a few of times a week. A few youthful misadventures with kickback taught me respect. I'm not foolhardy enough to say I can't get hurt again, but if I do, it won't be because I have a false sense of security from having a saw that makes a workshop safe for hot dogs.
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Do you wear a seatbelt when you're driving Tyrone? Do you have a smoke detector or carbon monoxide detector in your home Tyrone? The SawStop is a safety device just like anything else. If all these things are likely to give you a false sense of security then you've got a serious problem.
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On 3/7/2014 10:17 PM, snipped-for-privacy@none.com wrote:

The degree to which any safety device contributes to the utilitarian value to the owner varies with the ....owner. I would question the value of the Saw Stop safety device to someone who is extraordinarily safety conscious when operating any device that presents a danger. Am I prepared to trade some expensive and desirable tool in exchange for the safety a SawStop offers (say a jointer and a less expensive table saw.) (actually, I am since I can afford to) But for the individual who has to scrape together money for tools the choice might not be so easy. Having said that, if I were in the market for a new table saw the determining factor for my choice would be the quality of the tool.
None of the foregoing should be interpreted as a criticism of the SawStop's quality.
(and, by the way, insurance data shows that seat belts apparently do cause drivers to develop a false sense of security. That's why people often do not buckle up for short trips but when they hit the freeway they do buckle up.)
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On Sat, 08 Mar 2014 00:17:50 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@none.com wrote:

Not Tyrone, but... Sure, but not if I had to pay twice as much for the car with one.

Yes. No. Neither, if I had to pay twice as much for the house.

Not like everything else. The difference is the cost (and the patents). Let's do this again after the patents run out.

You can deny human nature all you want but it doesn't change it.
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:06:49 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@attt.bizz wrote:

I'm wondering how many less than ten fingered woodworking people would agree with you?
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:19:11 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@none.com wrote:

Completely irrelevant. A similar silly-statement would be "How many people who had limbs lost in car accidents, prefer they stayed home that day?". Life *is* about risk/reward, no matter how much the nanny-state tries to tell you otherwise.
There is no such thing as "safe". The only question is how much are you willing to pay for each bit of "safety". When I bought my saw, I looked at a SawStop but decided that the Unisaw would look nice in the garage (nicer than the Griz). A picture of a SawStop just wouldn't cut it.
Do you have a SawStop?
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 11:35:42 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@attt.bizz wrote:

I don't even have a workshop. All of my woodworking is limited to the workbench in my living room. But, if I did have a workshop, I'd seriously consider a SawStop or a sliding table panel saw. That being said, my needs are different than the average woodworker.
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 12:10:24 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@none.com wrote:

So you admit that it's not all that cut-and-dried; there *is* a decision to be made.
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 12:17:34 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@attt.bizz wrote:

There's always a decision to be made. And, you've chosen to ignore my statement that my situation when using a tablesaw is different than most.
I do however question your comparison ridiculous comparisons as to costs.

The SawStop mechanism DOES NOT double the price of the saw. It doesn't even come close. The SawStop tablesaw itself is a well made, very decent operating tablesaw with top notch fit and finish.
There's a number of regular $3000 tablesaws on the market and the SawStop is as good if not better than all of them.
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 12:28:35 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@none.com wrote:

Since you've not made that decision and have just admitted that perhaps it's not "stupid" to buy a non-stop saw, you really have no argument.

Fact, Jack. That's *exactly* the decision I was confronted with. $1600 for the Unisaw - $3500 for the "equivalent" SawStop. The $1600 was do-able (up from the $1400 for the budgeted Griz). $3500 would have had me laughed out of the "capital acquisition" meeting.

It *DID*. That's the point.

Oh, good grief! When *you* make the decision with *your* money, come back and we'll talk.
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 12:42:21 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@attt.bizz wrote:

As usual, your fact are full of holes.
Powermatic PM2000 ~ $3000 Delta 36-L352 ~ $3000 SawStop Professional cabinet saw ~ $3000
http://www.consumersearch.com/table-saw-reviews/cabinet-saws
The REAL TRUTH is that MOST SawStop naysayers like you are too busy letting your emotions overrule your common sense. You hate GASS' business tactics so much that you'll consider any excuse to exclude a SawStop from your purchasing condition.
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On Sun, 09 Mar 2014 13:03:10 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@none.com wrote:

Now you're calling me a liar. Figures.

I'm telling you WHAT MY DECISION WAS. GOT IT?

Bullshit. Like most suck-ups, you're talking out both sides of your mouth. You admit that price is an issue and that there is a decision to be made, yet you denigrate those who don't agree with a choice you've NEVER MADE and probably never will.
I don't care that some love SawStop. Sobeit. Their decision. However, when some know-nothing jumps into the fray, talking out both sided of his mouth, it's really funny.
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On 3/9/2014 12:18 PM, snipped-for-privacy@attt.bizz wrote:

It does speak volumes to actually have stepped up and bought the saw. I did.
Every one is entitled to their opinion with out being attacked and or being compared to an idiot or the possibility of being more of an idiot.
Experience trumps, "what he said" or going with the popular consensus, every time.
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wrote:

Yes, it means you weighed the choices and decided that it was worth it. I'm perfectly fine with that, as long as that choice exists.

Well, that's really at the bottom of my point. Choice is a good thing.

AGW is pretty popular but it doesn't make it right. Socialism is pretty popular, right now, too.
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On 3/9/2014 5:05 PM, snipped-for-privacy@attt.bizz wrote:

I think where you and I may be at odds on this discussion is that you might think that "I" think the SawStop should be in every ones shop. I don't believe that to the extent that everyone must have one in their shop. I think it would be good if the competition would have partnered with SawStop to begin with and then every one could have had the choice of having the technology "or not" in the brands of their choice.
I prefer to leave the political aspect out of the discussion.
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wrote:

You've certainly made that implication, in the past and really are quite close to it in this.

Gass had no intention of making it available with "reasonable and non-discriminatory" conditions.

Impossible. It is at its heart a political discussion.
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