Puckdropper <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote in
I assume it's actually the splitter you're concerned about?
That's can be a valid issue - when I started woodworking I'd
take the guard and splitter off maybe once per year. Now,
even tho the guard is only on the saw maybe 20% of the time,
I'm frequently putting it on and taking it off (I use sleds
for crosscutting, dadoing, etc, which have their own guards
built on, so the factory guard/splitter is only on the saw
when I'm ripping).
I got one of the last of the TS3660s. It's been excellent. Very well
thought out design and well made. I don't know what they were thinking
with the replacement. The 3650/3660 addressed the big issue with
contractor-style saws, blade alignment, with an adjustment system that
makes the process trivially easy.
With the 4511/4512 that's gone and to make matters worse a lot of the
saws were sold with the adjustment holes incorrectly placed so that it
was not possible to achieve blade alignment without going after the
parts with a file or Dremel. Apparently this was addressed in mid-2013.
There's also a safety recall--don't use a dado set on a 4511 until
you've read the recall notice and checked serial numbers.
The saws I've seen without the "motor sticking out the back" have had
universal motors. You're much better off with an induction motor,
even it sticks out the back. You'd probably never have a bearing
problem again, and if you did, induction motors tend to be pretty
standard and easily replaced.
Ah, I wouldn't agree with that point :-)
I'm not a big fan of benchtop saws. I think a full size
saw gives you more power, more precision, more durability,
is more stable, and overall safer. So I wouldn't recommend
a benchtop unless someone was very constrained on space,
or actually needed to tote the saw places other than a shop.
On Sun, 19 Jun 2016 15:54:36 +0000, John McCoy wrote:
Well, there is an alternative with a bit of luck - an *old* contractors
saw from Delta. It's small enough to be called a benchtop, but it weighs
a ton and the motor is external. I have the 1948 model and it's very
compact and built like a tank. Even has an overhead blade guard. Like
all saws it needs a better miter gauge and a sliding table.
There is one flaw - the blade is fixed and the table moves, but I seldom
need to move it. Here's a link to a picture and no, I don't have the
Well I'm not a fan either, I use a 700lb cabinet saw. But if you seldom
use a TS a bench top makes more sense. It all depends on how much you
use it and what you are cutting with it. Furniture, probably not. Bird
houses, not a big deal.
I may start a war, with this comment.
I have an old 1968 Craftsman 10' table saw. This was the high end
craftsman, not the elcheapo. I Have been using it for about 30 years
and it is still quite functional.
The Craftsman has a cast iron table with aluminum wings, giveing me
about a 36 inch square working area. I did have a problem with the 1hp
capacitor start motor that a repair man fixed for a couple of dollars
and showed my how to fix it in the future. (Clean our the area of the
motor where the capacitor is, and keep it clean.)
Because Craftsman table saws are looked down on you should be able to
get a good deal on the saw.
Me too. I replaced the motor on mine years ago and I also replaced my
cast iron wings with wings I built myself out of cherry for the banding
and MDF for the surface material. At the same time I installed a new
fence system that gives me 24" on each side of the blade. I tore it
down a year or two ago and replaced the arbor bearing as well as
installing new pulleys and a link belt. I also installed a paddle
switch located at my left knee cap so it is easy to shut off at the
completion of a cut. I invested in a Woodworker II at the same time.
It's a wonderful tool at this time. It was always a good saw, but it's
just a thing of beauty now. Oh - i had also invested the time to align
the blade to the miter slot several years ago.
No reason to look down on the cast iron saws - they are good saws that
can be turned into great saws for little cost.
My first of 3 TS's was a new 1983 Craftsman with cast iron top and steel
solid extensions. When I sold it I replaced the extensions with formica
covered extensions and a 36" Jet Exacta rip fence. It was a decent saw
after all of that. The 1 hp motor did give me grief when ripping 3/4"
plywood if myself and a helper did not guide steady enough or slow enough.
After using it for 16 years I traded up to a Jet cabinet saw. and about
14 years got the industrial SawStop.
All three saws were/are on mobile bases and I cannot stress how much a
mobile base on a TS makes close quarters work areas less troublesome.
I first came across mobile desk when I was working in the laboratory.
We had many instruments and being mobile could be clustered as needed.
I currently have my table saw and work bench on wheels. The work bench
was made to be the same height as the table saw so it can be positioned
to be an out feed table when you are ripping on the table saw.
At other times the work bench is on the operator side of the table saw
and is a staging area for the pieces to be cut. I make a lot of
stretchers and picture frames. This means that if you are making a
lot of frames or stretchers you are going to have a pile of pieces to be
cut. It is nice to have every thing so you can reach it with a slight
I have even used the work bench to change the ceiling lights, as it can
be rolled under the light that needs to be change.
The work bench can be rolled over to the car or lawn tractor when you
are working on them.
When you change project every thing not needed is rolled to it storage
Point being with everything on wheels you have a very flexible work area
that can be quite usable in a limited amount of space.
The counter point to that is that, when you start a new project
everything is in the wrong place and you have to move it all
before you can start (which is exactly what I do) :-)
To Meanie's point about the motor sticking out the back of
a contractor style saw - this is the one time you have to
worry about it. With the saw on a mobile base it's easy
to mis-judge how far back the motor is, and bang it into
things while moving the saw.
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