SURVEY: Material stops, push feeders and measuring machines on your saws

Fellow lurkers/posters,
I'm hoping to get a little constructive feedback on our new product line via a survey.
It's an HTML survey with 12 questions, should take about 5 minutes of your time. In thanks I'd be happy to send you some free swag in return for your survey.
Email me if you have any questions/problems with the link. The key word here is constructive...be nice, no flames please!
http://survey.accucutgold.com
Mike
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    --Been there, done that. The survey needs work; specifically you need to include a 'does not apply' button to some of the questions. Oh, and you should post it to one of the manufacturing groups instead of a "rec" group where a device like this is really overkill.
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"Steamboat Ed" Haas : Egads I'm becoming
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : a Woot-aholic!
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Agreed,some questions don't make sense. e.g. If I haven't seen the website, how can I rate it's useability? AFAIK most of us here do woodwork for fun, some are commercially driven but still enjoy doing one offs and hand done things, I suspect few would be interested in computerising dozens of cuts.
Mekon
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Why should I be required to give you my email address to take your survey?
No thanks.
Bob

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Hi everyone, thanks for the comments.
To answer your question Bob, you don't "have to" give your email address to fill out the survey - use my email if you want to be anonymous. Better yet put in the newsgroup name.
Ed commented about overkill on the rec. groups --> which ones would you recommend??? I read this group as people "actually" post here! I also cross posted to the metalworking group as I know the same guys also tend to follow the cnc and welding groups.
As for the comment of being "too much" for the hobby user, I personally use one in my home shop on my mitre saw. (One of the benefits of working here is getting a demo unit at cost ;-))The pusher and infeed roller table is integrated into the saw stand and the whole thing is on wheels - when I'm not using it I can easily park it in the corner of my shop out of the way. If you are interested let me know and I'll post some pics.
I love using it and wouldn't go back to the old fence and tape measure. The thing I love is I can let the ACCUCUT GOLD do the math for me and not worry about kerf etc., especially with mitre cuts. I can key in 24.75-11/32+4*1/2 and the unit goes to 24.406". Change to a 30 degree mitre and the stop automatically compensates for me.
I built my cedar gazebo using it - lots of repetitive cuts, mitres, etc. - way faster and super accurate.
Think of using a finishing air nailer for the first time - did you want to go back to using the hammer and centerpunch? I get a kick out of watching "The Woodright's Shop" but I'd rather have Norm's shop with all the toys.
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Epictitus (in x8ednToxe7S9c-fYnZ2dnUVZ snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com) said:
| Hi everyone, thanks for the comments.
Hmm. I followed the link. Page took forever to load (understandable given the number of hits it was probably getting), took over four minutes for my poor crippled Win/ME to juggle everything around between RAM and swap space and rewarded me with a visually jarring (non-informative) ad and a scrollable window with requests for info - some of which applied to my operations and some that did not.
I went through and provided all the information I could meaningfully supply - and the silly thing insisted I give it /all/ the answers it wanted even though they couldn't possibly be meaningful. I said (right out loud): "Up yours, you time waster!" and killed the IE window.
I was able to make /some/ inferences about the product from the questions; but was so ticked off by the "rudeness" of the survey that I walked away without further exploring the web site to learn anything about a product that might be useful to me - with the thought that if the survey was any indication of the level of focus that /prospective/ customers got, what could one possibly hope for /after/ making a purchase?
Suggestion: write surveys in plain HTML and allow people to provide only the answers they think are meaningful for them. If I'm required to provide BS replies, then it's clear to me that the survey isn't about acquiring real responses. It's either about acquiring some other kind of information or just plain wasting time.
-- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto/solar.html
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Just make up a name, use NetZero Private Phone for that. Postman loves unique names and, when they call or mail, you can track whence it originated. Saves openingthe junk mail!
As Always,
I.P. Daily
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Wow, one Noisy Web Site - Most Annoying!
If you only have one product, why not feature it on your Web Page - KISS
And Kill that noise! Geeze! Are you deef?

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I had an idea for a feature that would be cool for the actual product: programmable cutter comp/kerf correction. IE be able to enter the width of the blade and have the machine add it to each measurement, etc. ww88
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Here's my favourite line on money .... "Did I tell you I'm working on my second million? The first one was too hard so I gave up and started on the second..."

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Huh? Most all optimization programs include this feature however why would you need for a machine to consider the width if its kerf. It only has to measure to the good side edge of the blade from its reference point.
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Yeah, but if you are making multiple cuts from a piece of stock, you need to take into account each cut.
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That is not a problem for the machine as the width of the kerf is already gone and does not have to be considered. This does come in to account when the software is optimizing the cuts from a board and I do not know of any soft ware program that does not take into consideration the waste lost by the cut.
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Hi Leon,
Using Kerf allows you to push feed your stock. Your stock is between the pusher and blade and the finished part is pushed 'past' the blade to the exact length required. The system acts as a stock 'feeder' in this case and kerf is required whether you use the optimizer or not.
As an example, you can enter a list of measurements (your cutlist), enter your stock length (i.e. 12 foot length of board), and the Optimizer will sort your list to give you the highest yield (minimum scrap) per board. Each time you index to the next cut the kerf is added automatically to give you the perfect length.
If you use the system as a digital stop then kerf isn't needed as the finished part is between the blade and the pusher (stop).
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I gotcha now. I was visioning the pusher sliding the board to the stop and the stop determining the exact length. If the finished board is not between the blade and the stop I can see how the kerf allowance would be important.
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Leon, do you know of any GNU or freeware vector optimizers? One of my vendors has a (his words) "top of the line" CAD system for drawing his NC router layouts. The damn thing sends the cutter all over the board.
It would save him hours of cut time if he could find a nice vector-sort algorithm on the cheap.
LLoyd
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Lloyd E. Sponenburgh (in 1Odfh.10202$ snipped-for-privacy@tornado.tampabay.rr.com) said:
| Leon, do you know of any GNU or freeware vector optimizers? One of | my vendors has a (his words) "top of the line" CAD system for | drawing his NC router layouts. The damn thing sends the cutter all | over the board. | | It would save him hours of cut time if he could find a nice | vector-sort algorithm on the cheap.
I wrote a critter like that to clean up my ShopBot toolpaths. If he can't find a free/cheap solution, invite him to e-mail me directly. It's not as simple as a sort, since separate cuts with common end-points need to be combined or seamlessly spliced in three dimensions.
-- Morris Dovey DeSoto Solar DeSoto, Iowa USA http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto
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Morris, thanks. I'll forward this post to him LLoyd

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