Debate? What debate would that be Tim? This is a woodworking newsgroup, so
the debate should be about woodworking don't you think? Where exactly have
you contributed to the debate?
Much as you want to think this newsgroup is a "debate about everything
except woodworking" forum, the truth is that you're 100% wrong.
Feeble attempt at a reversal. Do a google search and show everybody your
last five woodworking related messages here Tim. You can't because they
don't exist. None of your red herring comments or change of subject bull.
Prove me wrong. SHOW ME five woodworking related comments you've made here
in the LAST YEAR.
That should be pretty easy, a whole year to work with, right? Until you do
that, it's just you as usual, posting your off topic crap.
PROVE ME WRONG.
Nope, I mostly don't post on topic, because I am nowhere near the
expert that other here are. I read what is posted and learn from it. I
do occasionally post on-topic if I feel I can add real value.
I also do not START off-topic threads. I join them already well in
progress. If I sang along with all the other Obama Fanboyz you'd never
say a word. You just don't like the fact that I don't worship at your
altar of screwing some people to benefit others to buy votes. You call
this "charity" or "caring for others" when it is really nothing more
than simple theft for political purposes and raw power over other
people. You believe in stealing, you just don't have the guts to do it
yourself - you need thugs like Obama to do it for you. It annoys you
to have this pointed out in public because it exposes you - and those
who hold similar views - for the intellectual and moral frauds you
are. You call vice a virtue. So ... you start screaming and foaming
personal insults in a vain hope no one will notice this fraud. But
they do. I know this because of the out-of-band emails I get, thanking
me for saying what I do and standing up to schoolyard bullies like
Tim Daneliuk firstname.lastname@example.org
Exposes me to what Tim? Why would I object to people knowing that I've
received publicly funded medical assistance? I as well as millions of others
receive it all the time up here in Canada. It's our constitutional right.
I'm proud of my country and what our health programs do. We all contribute
and we all benefit. Certainly, our health programs not perfect, but they're
a hell of a lot better than what you've got in the US.
Certainly another lie on your part. You keep making similar claims that are
impossible for anyone to verify and expect people to take them on your word
only. That's not going to happen. In fact, every comment you make seems to
be an unverifiable comment of some sort. You think most people are pretty
gullible don't you Tim? Turns out you're not as smart as I once suggested.
However you want to dance around these topics, it all comes down to the same
thing. You think it's going to cost you money somewhere along the line and
you freak out again.
As I've stated repeatedly. You're greedy, selfish and entirely self
motivated. Sad little world you live in. If I'm a bully for saying it, then
so be it. But if that's the case, then I'm a proud bully for pointing out
your glaring deficiencies. :)
So you steal from others to get what you want... well, you don't have
the guts to do that. You have your government do the stealing for you
and howl loudly if the victims complain about the theft.
Theft as a natural right. A remarkable bit of intellectual sophistry.
Here is a quote from tonight's private mail. The author will be happy to
confirm its authenticity:
"Upscale will now call you a liar, claiming that you never receive any
such emails. So I'm giving you proof right here: Thank you for saying
what you do, and standing up to those [like him] who don't have the
stones to do their stealing themselves. I agree with your viewpoints
pretty nearly 100%, but generally refrain from participating in these
threads once you have joined in because you make the same points I
would, but more articulately and thoroughly than I have the patience
to do. I do not jump in to defend you from attacks because it seems to
me that you are more than capable of defending yourself, without my
help -- but if you want it, you need only ask. You have my permission
to publish this entire message, or portions of it, in any way you see
fit. And if -- as I expect -- you are accused of fabricating it, I
shall confirm its authenticity."
I am not a liar as you conveniently and repeatedly assert. I have
never told a lie here (and generally refrain from doing so in my private
life as well). You owe me an apology which it unlikely to appear as
your rudeness is already well established here.
You are not only a bully, but a fundamentally irrational and dishonest
one. You have others steal for you and call it virtue. (Dishonest).
You attack anyone who objects to the thieving as being selfish and greedy.
(Irrational) Then, to add salt to the wound, you're actually arrogant
(proud) about your irrational dishonesty. Well done.
Tim Daneliuk email@example.com
What the heck. I'm not even going to wait for someone to publicly accuse Tim
of fabricating that before I confirm it to be an exact copy-and-paste of an
email I sent him shortly after reading his post. Then, on returning to the
newsgroup, I discovered that my prediction had already come to pass: Upscale
called him a liar. Imagine my surprise. [Actually, I was a bit surprised that
it happened so quickly. But not that it happened.]
Actually, I didn't call him a liar, but I did say I doubted it was a real
post. Big difference for you reading comprehension challenged people. But
then, it's you I'm talking about so it's not so surprising.
However, in case you were unable to fully understand the rest of the message
, I did say that even the worst dregs of society have had their supporters
so it's not surprising that Tim has a few and even less surprising that
you're one of them.
Miller vouching for Daneliuk. Imagine my surprise. I wonder if Tim
asked for that endorsement. I doubt that Tim is aware of Miller's
track record as a 'debater' and what he's just hooked his wagon onto.
But having said that, I think I will take LRod's advice and shut-the-
fuck up. <G>
Actually, I suspect that a good measure of Doug's 'Tim Support' was promoted
by his dislike for me. I really don't know why anyone would dislike me, but
there you go. The few times I've conversed with Doug haven't alway been on
the most cordial terms. However, if Doug wants to butt sniff Daneliuk,
that's his business.
Oh, I'm sorry, is that too crude and vulgar for you Tim?
Yeah, but look at all the fun you'd be missing. <G>
On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:43:36 GMT, firstname.lastname@example.org (Doug Miller)
I'm having trouble with my Outlook so I've switched to Agent:
Most reading my comment above would see it as humorous which is what
it was intended to be. Guess you seem to be devoid of it Doug. Not
It also seems like you're just as capable of personal attacks as
anyone. Perhaps as well as adding my name to the filter program you
hand out, you should be adding your own.
Anyway if you want to play moderator by using your personal dislike of
me to moderate my messages for the rest of the readers here, then you
go ahead. It demonstrates a complete lack of ethics and integrity, but
coming from you, that's not surprising at all.
The people who know me will contact me when they want to and that you
can't stop despite any attempted moderation on your part.
You have a good day now Doug.
Apparently, you consider it a personal attack when someone points out the
truth about you.
If you don't wish to be considered vulgar, ill-mannered, and incapable of
debate without resorting to personal abuse, then you shouldn't call people
things like "asshole" and "lying piece of decrepit shit" when they disagree
Speaking of being devoid of a sense of humor... Lighten up, huh?
I don't really care if someone considers me vulgar or ill-mannered Doug. In
the midst of a perfectly cordial discussion about public health care, Tim
initiated the name calling by labelling me as evil and a thief for using it.
I took Tim's comments (and still do) as an assault on my integrity. As a
proud Canadian, I also took his comments as derogatory insults against my
country. You and many others seem to think that the USA is the only country
with patriots, which is a very self-centred point of view. Anyway, I
responded in kind and as I saw fit. Whether the names used are vulgar and
insulting or run of the mill insults, it adds up to the same thing as far as
If Tim (or you) can't deal with the name calling, whatever it's form, then
he shouldn't be tossing out insults in the first place without expecting a
response. Especially so, since he doesn't know me personally and has never
previously had any dealings with me.
Tim is exactly what I've said he is. It seems I'm not the only one who
There, are you happy now? I haven't used one vulgar word.
You're not a thief for taking what you already paid for. You're dishonest
for supporting the thievery as a virtue and promoting it prospectively
for the future. Stealing is evil. Defending it is similarly evil.
This is not name calling, it is definitional ... unless you decide to
explain how stealing is suddenly not a moral foul.
I know you promote theft as a virtue.
You must be exhausted.
Tim Daneliuk email@example.com
He does now, but earlier message distinctly label me evil and a thief. In
fact he said it a number of times. Anyway, I *DO* advocate the system, so
according to Tim and his screwed up selfish ways, I am evil and a thief.
And what does it have to do with you? Are you suddenly Tims ardent
supporter? It seems you do have your nose up his butt. This too, is not a
What you say stands alone. Doesn't matter who agrees with you or
doesn't agree with you, or Tim. Everyone that reads this stuff is smart
enough to read, so should be smart enough to figure out which one of you
is an empty bag of air, and who speaks with substance and reason.
If everyone except you agreed with Tim 100%, it would not change the
veracity of (or lack thereof) your statements one iota!
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