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Same old bullshit eh Tim? As usual, it's all about you.
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Upscale wrote:

No, it's all about people unwilling to take personal responsibility.
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Actually, it is and always has been repeatedly about you. It always comes back to you. You don't give a rat's ass about personal responsibility just as long as you feel that it's not going to cost you anything.

stupidity?
Add onto that your absolute refusal to admit that society has contributed in a major way to your status quo and your ending comment that's always the same ~ "why do I have to pay?" Your insistence that everything you have in life was obtained solely by your own effort is a complete crock because it just isn't true. 99% of the benefits our society enjoys were provided by the people who came before us, people who worked, contributed and gave. That's certainly not you, because it always come down to the same thing with you. "why do I have to pay?" They're your words, repeated a large number of times. You have absolutely no concern for anyone except yourself. That's what it's like to be greedy, selfish and all consuming. Pitiful little world you live in.
You call me a thief for receiving publicly funded assistance so I can stay healthy enough to contribute back to society. I call you a liar, selfish and greedy to the extreme.
You take anything and everything you can legally get from society without giving back or stopping to wonder if you should be doing it in the first place. It's obvious who is the real thief here.
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How about the eeeeeeeeeeeevil middlemen at the mortgage companies? I know of a couple of cases where the facts submitted for approval were not quite "precise" as reported. There are many people involved in this deal and I'd not be surprised if a couple end up in jail for fraud.
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:

When/if there is a demonstration of fraud, those people should be appropriately dealt with by the law. Personally, I like to start with the government vermin that were the root of this problem in the first place. There is no greater fraud than a politician acting "in the public interest."
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:

I agree with Chris. The "industry" should be penalized by going out of business, or whatever happens to them as the result of making bad business decisions.
The "people to blame" are the big spending politicians

Of course they should be punished. They should lose whatever it is they bought and didn't pay for and their credit rating should suck, and what ever else naturally happens when someone makes poor borrowing decisions. I, nor anyone in my family has ever welched on a loan, stuck anyone for money duly owed, and never intend to do so.
I remember when I was shopping for my first house in 1975 the realtor told me what amount of money the bank would lend me based on my income. I thought it was stupid, as I sure didn't think I could live on what was left after paying my taxes and mortgage. Not being totally stupid, I borrowed what *I* thought I could afford, not what anyone else was willing to lend me. My next house was even worse, around 1985 the realtor told me what I could borrow and it was insane. I can only imagine what people were borrowing in 2000+? I think you would have to be insane, stupid or trying to rip someone off from the get go to borrow huge sums of money that you had no real way of paying off. My guess is most of the loans went to dumb asses buying second houses and flipping them quickly for fast "easy" money. Nothing wrong with that but if you want to gamble big, with big potential returns, you are taking a big risk, if you lose, you lose, if the banks willing participate lose, they lose. No way should anyone else be asked to bail them out. You win, good, you lose, tough cookies.
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Oh come on Jack Don't throw good old common sense into this discussion. ;-}
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:34:56 -0600, Chris Friesen wrote:

Just remember that roughly one third of the US mortgages in default, at least from what I've read, were held by owners who never lived in the house, i.e. speculators. They got no or low down loans and just walked away when the market declined.
I know that for the last several years, I was surprised by the number of "for rent" signs on brand new houses.
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Larry Blanchard wrote:

And thus, we the taxpayers, are offsetting the losses of gamblers. I have no objection to other people gambling/speculating. I have an objection to paying for their bad choices (as I do anyone else's bad choices). More interesting is that the actual mortgage default rate is still pretty low, it's just not as low as it has been historically. Why on earth we should bail out the dummies behind all this (the borrowers or the lenders) is still beyond me. Let the credit markets seize up and thereby clean out the crud from the financial system. In relatively short order (a few years) the system would be back to healthy operations. All we've done with the bailout is further collectivize the economy and delay a true, healthy recovery. Then again, it won't make much difference anyway. When His Holiness, Our Savior And Lord, Comrade Obama gets done with the US economy, there's not going to be much worth saving.
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That's getting stale, Daneliuk.
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Robatoy wrote:

It is truer than ever Robbie Baby. After he presides over the raping of the wealthy, economic reality is *still* going to hit this political gasbag (assuming he's elected). No amount of stealing (as his entire platform demands) can replace the consequent loss of productivity that will ensue. He's busy selling himself as the Sheeple's Messiah without the remotest clue of how very badly his ideas will further undermine the US, and thus all of Western, economic foundations. This weasel is going to make Carter look like a genius. Hold on to your private parts ladies and gentlement, we are about to see lots of unemployment (far beyond what we see now), negative growth, stagnation, and ultimately inflation. Meanwhile, the wealthy, the engine of new investment and capital growth, will still be wealthy - it will just be denominated in other currencies and stored in other nations.
Let Obama Communism begin - the people deserve it.
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:

Tim, much as I agree with your positions, you still helped support this marxist's ascension to power. In another post, you indicated you voted for neither Obama nor McCain. So, you did not support the one candidate with even a hope of turning back the marxist. You will protest that you could not support McCain on ideological grounds. While that may be the case and your conscience is clear, you and others who did so have helped assure your enslavement to this statist.
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Mark & Juanita wrote:

I live in a state where my vote made no difference (electorally speaking). I voted to show my disgust with the Republicans. The outcome was not remotely in question.
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Tim Daneliuk wrote:

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In that case, I apologize. If it didn't matter, then sending a message isn't a bad thing. I would just hate to see someone when by a few votes when those votes could have been matched by people just sitting things out.
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: Robatoy wrote:
:> :> :>> When His Holiness, Our :>> Savior And Lord, Comrade Obama .......... :>> :> :> That's getting stale, Daneliuk. :> :>
: It is truer than ever Robbie Baby. After he presides over the raping of : the wealthy
Here's an analysis, with real numbers and facts and everything for you, on the alleged massive tax increases that Obama's plan has over that offered by McCain (hint: they're not very different):
http://www.salon.com/opinion/kamiya/2008/10/21/taxes/index.html
and here's another, detailing McCain's legacy of socialist hero worship:
http://www.slate.com/id/2202950 /
Feel free to read them anytime you come back to planet earth.
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Andrew Barss wrote:

Check back in a few years with Comrade Obama has demonstrated his willingness to go back on all- anything he's ever said in his quest to enslave you.
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:> :> http://www.slate.com/id/2202950 / :> :> :> Feel free to read them anytime you come back to planet earth. :> :> :>     -- Andy Barss
: Check back in a few years with Comrade Obama has demonstrated his willingness to : go back on all- anything he's ever said in his quest to enslave you.
You're deranged.
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Andrew Barss wrote:

I've seen the ascent of tin-pot socialists before. He's no different other than he wears better suits.
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willingness to

Praise the Lord! Here's hoping he comes to enslave you first. Deranged twits like you should be the first ones put into servitude.
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Upscale wrote:

Deranged huh ... hmmm ... you are vulgar, snide, call for violence against people with whom you disagree, have no real ideas of your own to contribute to the debate. IOW, you're the perfect Obama supporter.
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