You describe Thomas as competent, great personal skills, able to
complete projects better than any of the other techs, and a friend.
Now you are considering firing him. On what basis? Lying on his
resume? He didn't lie. YOU failed to perform due diligence and
check his credentials. You think internet degrees are unethical?
You certainly have a right to your opinion but that's not sufficient
basis for legal action.
Does your company have a written policy re internet degrees?
How about degrees from other places like the University of
Phoenix, which has brick & mortar classrooms and which also
gives credit for work experience. Does your policy reject
regular university degrees where credits from junior/community
colleges were accepted? If not, I doubt that you have a case
for firing Thomas.
As an employer I'd be thankful for Thomas as an employee. I've
had many employees with "Regular University" degrees who were
If you do fire him using your stated rationale, expect a lawsuit.
Which you will likely lose. And you may also lose your own
job in the process.
"came into work
on-time, and pretty much completed projects better than any of the
other techs in our facility."
Use your brain it obvious, havn't we all done things in the past we regret?
I think you know you SHOULD NOT sack him.
OK, it's pretty sleazy spam. But the responses are very real and
- "Consult a lawyer before firing him."
The very first response! How American can you get? :-)
- "Fire him. First, because he lied to the very person that hired him
(you). Second, to not would be a disservice to those that do work for
you that earned degrees the proper way."
- "Don't fire him. Thank him. When he lied on his application, he lied
to a faceless company. If you want to personalise it, he lied to the
secretary he gave it to. When he admitted it to you he told a truth to
a 'friend'/colleague with whom he felt a mutual
trust developing, don't abuse this."
Somehow I don't think these guys voted for the same candidate in 2004.
- If it is written company policy (to fire those who lie on resume's),
I don't see as you have much choice. If you don't enforce the policy
this time and you do enforce the
policy at a later date, you could be in for accusations of favoritism
The corporate lawyer's advice... CYA regardless of the ethical merits
of it all. Keeps things simple and safe.
- "tell him that company policy is to fire, but instead you're just
going to knock his pay down to what a person with no degree would get
and put him on probation."
Good one! Keep a valuable employee, let him feed his family, yet teach
him a lesson. Probably earn more loyalty for less money. But how to
explain this pay cut and probation to HR?
- "If his resume says he got his degree frmm Fly-by-Night University,
and that is the truth, he did not lie. Whether or not you fire him, or
reduce his pay or whatever, because he does not have the qualifications
you mistakenly thought he did is another matter."
A *defense* lawyer's answer - blame the victim.
- "Is it a legally recognized degree? If it is, then technically he
wasn't lying. He's done a good job, but assuming the degree isn't
legally recognized then he lied on the resume."
Beneath the legal hair-splitting lies a profound question that everyone
ignores today: of what value IS a college degree except as an easy
employment screening criterion? How can you weigh the difference
between a no-degreer with 5 years of applicable experience and a fresh
CalTech honors graduate? Is the difference narrower than we think?
Consider the aspects of a college education that make an applicant LESS
desirable. Debt load, for instance. A typical graduate emerges from
school owing about $100,000. Do you want him around the company till?
Is he more likely to jump ship at the first flash of more dough? How
can he possibly pass a drug test, unless he attended Brigham Young or
Bob Jones University? Might he be a closet Democrat?
- "I would consider it a mistake in judgement rather than an outright
A very Nixonian answer.
- "You should give him oral pleasure. "
A very Clintonian answer!
- "Use your brain it obvious, havn't we all done things in the past we
regret? I think you know you SHOULD NOT sack him."
The answer Karl Rove got.
This thread has been thought-provoking, no matter what its origin.
If he's a competent employee why fire him? A lot of humans make
mistakes in their dark past. This guy is man enough to own up to it.
I wish I had been able to hire employees with the obvious intelligence
that your man has.
SPAM gets better and better.... btw send me your money cause I need it more
than you ;-) I too offer degrees.. yep designed through mspaint program and
printed off my $10 canon bubble jet... yep the same bubble jet where it cost
$20 for a new printer with ink & $30 for the replacement cart. lol... get
'er done act now.... limited sheets of paper.....
Looks like the link isn't working right now. No suprise there.
I do think this forum has been hit by a spammer. The message is phishy.
That said; It seems the person was honest all the time. Even when he
told you "off hours".
-Nothing should be done.
Maybe I don't mind this spammer getting the word out. Though it is
shameless. Perhaps I will pick up one of those degrees. (through a
different link) Obviously, companies do default to a higher pay scale
on what is an APPARENT measure of skill.
If this is a true story it's an example of how inaccurate our corporate
measurements of worth and value are.
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