Shipping Costs

While I agree with this, although i'd probably just ignore the post;

I disagree with this. Many news spools have retention policies based on space, rather than time, and additional posts will cause older posts to be removed _from that server_. Sure, they'll (unless X-No-Archive) be available via Google, but from the perspective of the news reader application, they've "dropped off".

scott

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Scott Lurndal
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Actually, that *is* how usenet works. NNTP servers have limited storage space, and as new messages come in, old ones are deleted. On particularly busy groups, small servers end up keeping messages for less than a day, or even just a few hours.

So think of it this way - every new message that shows up, causes one old message to disappear from the server. Forever. Did you read it? No? Well, you'll have to find a server with a bigger disk which may still have it (like google groups, for example).

Note that this is why many servers refuse to carry the *.binary groups

- they eat up disk space much faster than text-only groups, so one binary post could cause hundreds of text posts to disappear.

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DJ Delorie

HA HA! Good one!

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lwasserm

Considering that most areas don't have serious woodworking-oriented tool stores and older style tools & certain hardware can only be got from online transactions or mail order, this is on-topic.

What did you want? Yet another thread on the difference between Grizzly, Jet and Delta or how to cut a dado slot? Shop talk is where it's at, IMO. Making things out of wood just really isn't so terribly complicated that each operation needs to be gone over a thousand times in minute detail each week so we don't all forget.

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Prometheus

Shame on you for wanting me to put my precious toys in a garage! I've got an 1100+ sq ft. shop in the basement, where things are climate controlled. Sheesh.

Might be a good thing, but not on that score. We're too obsessed as a culture with wanting everything now, and wanting it cheap. Then people wonder why the manufacturing goes overseas, and the ones that stay here don't pay squat. Most satisfying purchase I ever made was an $80 radio I put on layaway when I was making minimum wage, and paid for $5 at a time. Wasn't that it was that great- it was just something to look forward to over the course of four months, and I sure did appreciate it when I got it home... a whole different feeling than just carting in a carload of crap from the Wal-mart to be used or ignored- like the crap that comes in every other payday.

Now that's not to advocate poverty- but it makes a difference in how you feel about things when they're just out of reach and you save for and anticipate them. You end up choosing higher quality, caring for them more, and generally appreciating the things you have more than if you just put a pile of cheap junk on a credit card and shove it in a corner at home.

If everyone thought like that, we'd be able to revive American manufacturing and those jobs that were created might be a little less pressure-oriented and pay better. Well, a guy can hope so, anyhow- though it doesn't much matter, because it's not going to happen in my lifetime.

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Prometheus

Actually, that does not fit with what I know from my own accounts. The providers I use both have stated retention periods, i.e., 30days for text and 14 days for binary - or whatever they decide. I know of a provided that offers 1200days retention on text. Of course there might be providers that run their business different but I believe the majors all have stated retention times and when the traffic goes up they respond by adding new capacity - not by dropping messages.

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Joe Bemier

You need to find a new provider.

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Mike Marlow

If someone's losing rec.* posts in hours nowadays, they need a new news service.

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B A R R Y

Done. The change will be effective Saturday.

Thanks, Al Gore

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B A R R Y

Hey look - I got Al Gore's signature!

Eat your heart out, the rest of you guys.

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Mike Marlow

I sent my son a much-needed computer. He lived in Minnesota, I shipped from Michigan.

It went to Chicago AND RETURNED TO MICHIGAN 3 times. On the 4th trip to Chicago, some genius sent it on to Oregon. When it got to Oregon someone pulled out a map and actually sent it to Minneapolis (that's a city in Minnesota that UPS has trouble finding).

When it got there it was crushed beyond belief ... utterly destroyed. The monitor had left here packed in peanuts in an inner box that was secured inside a larger box with roughly 4 inches of spray-in-place foam.

Because I am an individual and not a company, UPS refused the honor the insurance they had so eagerly sold me with nary a whisper about only paying off on commercial shipments.

Whenever a vendor offers me a choice, I ask that merchandise NOT be shipped via UPS.

I seem to have a regular driver (for now). He has stopped the practice of lugging my stuff back into Detroit and making me come fetch it as pennance for not taking a day off work when I think that a package MIGHT be due to arrive. Of course that will only last until I get a different driver.

The stuff I ship will fit in a Priority envelope. I can buy postage online to print on my Dymo labeler and call USPS for a pickup. If there is a particular rush, I can drive the one mile to an all-night post office.

The ability to handle a large volume of freight doesn't mean much to me when a shipper can't seem to find Minneapolis and they renege on the insurance coverage they insisted I buy.

They wouldn't even refund the premium.

Bill

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Bill

Nice touch

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George Max

Just got a package from Overstock.com -- they shipped via USPS. Also got my Daytimer via internet; it also shipped USPS. Most stuff does ship UPS, but quite a bit still is shipped by even big-name places through USPS.

UPS actually works better for me; USPS is not the swooftest. We have a cluster box; packages are placed in special boxes and the key left in the regular box. What the postal person doesn't seem to understand is that on the side where they load the mail, the whole back opens and the full width of a box is available. However, on the customer side, there is a flange that constitutes the door frame. I can't remember how many times I have gotten packages that just fit on the mailman's side, implying that I have to disassemble the package inside the mailbox in order to get the contents out of the receptacle. UPS just leaves the stuff on my doorstep.

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Mark & Juanita

Mark & Juanita wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

Just adding my 2 cents .... both USPS and UPS deliver to the doorstep (we're out in the country and rural delivery with USPS). Both are efficient pleasant and provide dog bones for the dogs. UPS "Parcel Princess" is really hot, but that's another story!

My gripe is with FedEx Ground. We have a FedEx Priority distribution center in the next town, but FedEx Ground is shipped though two terminals in the next state 50 and 100 miles away many times with contract drivers in private vehicles and days later from tracking estimates.

I request all shipping UPS or USPS. FedEx was good when I was in corporate America with a big budget, but sucks for the residential customer.

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A Lurker

Something you may not be aware of is that UPS and FedEx both offer services where they actually maintain the parts inventory at one of _their_ warehouses and deliver from that stock.

If Delta is doing enough volume on parts they might be using one of those services. If they are it pretty well rules out using USPS.

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J. Clarke

Personally I don't like to recieve items via USPS, especially small ones. I've never had UPS wrap anything up in the junk mail.

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J. Clarke

FedEx is pretty reliable though. I love it when people spend extra for an overnight shipment to a person that is away on vacation for the next two weeks. We have a customer that pays for the previous shipment when he wants another. Instead of mailing a check for 39¢ early in the week, he overnights at the last minute for $12. I wonder why he does not have the cash to pay his bills.

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Edwin Pawlowski

Same thing I've found. USPS leaves dog bones, and the regular UPS driver leaves packages inside the garage next to the basement door. Never had a damaged box with either of them. Maybe they're just more careful in less populated areas where there's a decent chance they'll have to actually deal with you if they mess up the packages. Post office only has two mail carriers in my town, and they alternate on a regular two-week cycle, so it wouldn't be tough to tell *exactly* who did something stupid with the mail. I'm sure there's only one UPS driver, but I'm usually not here when they deliver.

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Prometheus

FedEx Express, FedEx Ground, and FedEx Freight are all seperate companies owned by FedEx.

They all operate completely seperately which seems silly. You would think they could have huge economies of scale by combining some of the operations, particularly FedEx Ground and FedEx Freight.

FedEx just bought Watkins Freight and renamed them FedEx LTL. Why they didn't combine them into FedEx Freight is just silly. Around here, the FedEx Freight terminal and the FedEx LTL terminals are blocks apart.

Brian Elfert

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Brian Elfert

Brian Elfert wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@corp.supernews.com:

Marketing and systems are probably the biggest opportunities for synergies in the business. Operations will move together as makes sense, just not too quickly. There are niches in every business.

Patriarch

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Patriarch

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