SawStop vs. Bosch-- Let the Games Begin!!

You just have to think the Bosch will sell for that price in the store. I don't see them going through the trouble to compete with the only other saw that does the same thing, without competing in price, too.

Reply to
-MIKE-
Loading thread data ...

That is not a certainty but I would certainly return the blade to the manufacturer with details and an estimate to restore. I understand that some have been repaired. I am not sure that realistically it will matter one way or another. Considering the fact that you save a trip to the ER the cost of a new blade and brake does not even factor in if you screw up. For certain the Bosch will be less expensive for every owner to perform the weenie test. ;~)

There are those that look at it that way but if you test the limits of your anti lock brakes by driving more recklessly there is a big possibility that you are going to do something else that is stupid which will kill you. I don't buy it myself. I'm not one to look down the barrel of a gun and pull the trigger because I know the safety is on....

LOL... I bet there are those that would not want that feature to save their lives to keep from totaling the airplane..

For me absolutely the SawStop was worth the price. 3 table saws ago I cut half my thumb off on my TS. No one could believe that happened to ME. I was pretty strict safety.

Unfortunately I am not up on the 1,342,657,345,343,001 possible ways to harm your self with a TS. I don't believe anyone else is either. Then add to that no one is perfect and some times we work a little too long... There are countless reasons. Anyway I can afford it so I bought it. I really don't want to go to the ER again. FWIW I had turned my saw off before cutting my thumb. Yes it was a dumb mistake and one I repeated one year later. It all happened so fast I had no idea what happened. Fortunately when I repeated the mistake 1 year later I did not have as much thumb in harms way and only felt the breeze of the blade as it was coasting down to a stop.

I would say for the vast majority no. For those that throw caution to the wind, if this does not get them something else will. And FWIW putting a blade brake on a saw does not guarantee not being harmed.

Reply to
Leon

Wow that should be in Bosch's and SawStops sales pitch.

Reply to
Leon

But as you well know the double use feature will create a false sense of security. ;~) You know when when you have a flat tire and open the trunk and realize that the spare is on the ground already. ;~) The cartridge trips and no worries until you realize that you have already performed the hot dog demonstration once before. ;~)

It is a cool feature of not damaging the blade but if that feature is important to you, you have my nod to buy that particular saw to begin with. It sounds like you already know you are going to need it.

Reply to
Leon

No kidding.... I think it was very wise of Bosch to go for the contractor market as those guys are the ones that spend the most hours in a day and working in locations that are not great. Between Bosch and SawStop I think there is going to be faster acceptance/switch to these saws than the stationary units.

Reply to
Leon

It will be interesting to see if the pricing equalizes. But you know Bosch is a German company like Festool. They may feel that their saw is worth the extra cash, and it may very well be. It might be smarter to be a bit more expensive especially if it compares equally to the SawStop. Someone always sells the same features for more money, it may as well be Bosch.

Reply to
Leon

What happens to the blade? is it pinched and warped or something more violent

Can't put a price on having all your original appendages i didn't know how the SS worked other than I saw the gizmo at the heart of it, the electronic part not the mechanical

well they gather mountains of data because that's what insurance companies do and these were not daredevils just normal drivers that thought hey I have ABS so i can expect more from this car it's a subtle thing that showed up after a lot of data

we will never get that data with tablesaws i think the most important thing is to understand what's really going on with any tool

people need to stop and think what forces are involved what might happen if something goes wrong which direction will it go, etc.

it comes easier to some than to others

no joke there're definitely pilots that see it as an impediment to honing and keeping real pilot skills

but it sells more planes, funny thing is those planes without a chute are really nice and much safer than the previous designs but it comes down to good maintanence with planes

sory to hear that

It's potential to harm is great but it's overblown and I think that is even a problem for a lot of folks, they fear the table saw and operating it in fear is not good combo

plus as I've seen you mention it's a well made saw

I'm glad you said that because the mindset in the shop or around power tools is very important

gotta know when to do something with potential for harm I do most cutting early when I'm fresh but may be a luxury for some

if I'm distracted with something try to deal with it then get back to the saw

Reply to
Electric Comet

I went ahead and ordered a replacement cartridge when I bought my SS - it was $69 for a 10-inch cartridge and $89 for the 8-inch dado cartridge. Money well spent I'd say.

Dave in SoTex

Reply to
Dave in SoTex

formatting link
formatting link

Reply to
Dave in SoTex

Om craiglist locally a SS contractors saw

formatting link

Reply to
Markem

The few SawStop mechanisms that I've sold - were all due to " non personal " contact - ie : wet wood and metal .. John T.

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: snipped-for-privacy@netfront.net ---

Reply to
hubops

A spring loaded aluminum brake pad with relief holes drilled in it is pushed up into the spinning blade. It normally rests less than 1/8" from the blade and is about 2" long. The holes allow the blade to penetrate deeply into the aluminum. Also the blade drops below the surface of the saw releasing tension on belts so that the brake does not have to stop the momentum of the motor too. Because most quality carbide blades can very easily cut through aluminum I don't believe the damage is severe but I certainly would want the manufacturer to do and sign off on the repair. I suspect a few teeth would have to be replaced and the blade maybe be re flattened. something I have Forrest check for every time I send my blades in for resharpening.

Exactly and then expect the unexpected.

LOL yeah that same through process is mentioned with TS safety by some. And that is a good thing but having a safer saw is part of practicing saw safety.

Absolutely. You certainly should not feat operating a TS as this is the first sign that you may not know all of the possible situations you can encounter if you are not thinking about what you are doing. OTOH you should feat what can happen if you are careless. After I cut my thumb I was more fearful of the saw, up until I almost cut my thumb again and finally realized exactly took place. Originally I thought I was cutting a piece of wood and had a kick back. I was cutting a dado. In actuality I had finished the cut, laid the wood down, turned the saw off, and was reaching over the spinning blade to grab the far end of the fence to remove it.

New rule.... don't go near the blade after a cut until you see it stop spinning. Seems pretty damn reasonable to do this anyway but some of us learn the hard way. But having said that there are numerous similar ways to be hurt while not cutting wood.

The industrial version certainly is, there is a lot of cast iron under the table. A comparison I make is that the SS industrial, being a cabinet saw too, is that it has about 200 lbs more iron in the trunnion assembly. It weighs in at about 700lbs with the hydraulic mobile base,

52" capacity fence and out feed rollers. The SS Professional saw I am sure is every bit as well built as most any cabinet saw in the same price range. I had a Jet cabinet saw and wanted to step up to heavier and to a larger/deeper table top in addition to having the safer features of a riving knife and the blade brake. That was the only reason I chose the industrial over the professional version.

Yes, if you are on a deadline you have to often work past your prime attention time. I try to never use the TS when some one comes up to visit me in my garage unless they are actually there to help.

Reply to
Leon

Which reminds me, I need to call SS and inquire into the details of cutting wet wood. I have cut wet wood and the saw simply shut down after cutting a few inches. It continued to do this until I used the over ride switch. But I wonder what is going to happen if I cut into my aluminum miter fence...

Reply to
Leon

That could be said of the SawStop, too. I have no (hot)dog in this race, but to me if all other things are equal, the Bosch wins. We won't know until some of the magazines and websites do some good side-by-side comparisons which one is a better saw, taking into consideration aspects other than the safety-brake.

Reply to
-MIKE-

A friend of mine has already 'tried that experiment'. He has the blade/brake combo hanging on his shop wall.

Dan

Reply to
Dan Coby

Gosh, I could have warned him! ; )

Reply to
Bill

I was just kidding. ;~)

Reply to
Leon

It works by firing a block of aluminum up into the blade. It'd take one heck of a sturdy blade to survive that! Even getting the block of aluminum off of the blade is a bear.

Reply to
Larry Blanchard

This entire topic has been hashed to death! Couldn't you all just refer folks to the posts you made the last time Sawstop was mentioned?

Reply to
Larry Blanchard

So has the entire topic of woodworking. This is current and well worth repeating if some one is interested.

If I hear of another comment about the ancient art of hand planing, which has been discussed for hundreds of years I'm..... ;~)

Reply to
Leon

HomeOwnersHub website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.