I linked to a price sheet in my earlier post, but the aim there was
looking for the lowest price. Dayum, Delter sure is proud of their
saws nowadays! http://www.toolseeker.com/WdWkMac/TableSaw.htm
Griz and the majority of the rest, even the Lagunas, are under $2k.
Oh, I see that SawStop finally has a sub-$2k saw on the market. I
thought they were all about $3500. I sit corrected.
Um, -now- who's got the bug? ;) BUT, Leon, do you feel that the
lawsuit we're discussing here is good and just? Or do you feel as most
of us do that it's a farce and a complete miscarriage of justice?
Safer tools are a good concept and I'll likely buy some when I'm ready
(read "funded"), but not from SawStop. To say that I dislike Gass'
tactics is a major understatement.
P.S: You'd shit if you saw Dina's (my saur) gaper of a top. She's as
safe as a square cutterhead. My crosscut sled saves me from it most
Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself.
-- Thomas Jefferson
If you are talking about the dip that cut his finger off and won the
$1m, no that was stupid. Nor do I think that the government should say
that the SawStop technology should be mandatory. Having said that I
still admire and like the SawStop. When it comes to my safety politics
and ill feelings don't factor in. If I buy a new saw it will most
likely a SawStop.
Well there is where you and I differ. I don't let my emotions keep me
from making a sensible decision. Because you are interested you know
about the Gass tactics. I assure you, you buy products now that you
would feel the same about if you knew the politics involved. Take freon
for instance. R12 was perfectly adequate. But DuPont's patent ran out
and the new refrigerant that they developed was mandated to be used. Now
if you want to talk about percentages of price increase, I used to buy
R12, 1,000 cases at a time at about 67 cents per pound. IRC a 30 lb
bottle of the r128 sold in the $200.00 range.
The old R12 was supposedly bad for the ozone layer which is still a
supposed problem although R12 is all but gone. The refrigerant that
replaced R12 was friendlier to the ozone, but more harmful to humans.
There were very strict rules and special equipment to contain the new
freon even though it was environmentally friendly, except to humans.
They did not want any more than necessary any human contact. There were
numerous publications concerning that in the automotive trades magazines
back in the mid 80's. The SawStop story pails by comparison.
When all is said and done there are only two things that concern me;
1. Is the manufacturer going to fix my saw (and replace the blade) if the
damn thing malfunctions (ruins my blade and stops my work for the day)
2. How much is it going to add to the cost of the saw I buy.
I agree with your outlook and also feel that safety is paramount
within reason. The Sawstop cabinet saw table top is too high for me to
operate comfortably so unfortunately it's not a saw I'd consider. I
inquired as to the possibility of lowering one of their saws and was
told that the internal mechanism didn't allow enough room for
lowering. So, when I'm again ready to buy, it will be one of General's
'Access' tablesaws which is lowered for people who have to sit, like
to sit or happen to be of shorter stature.
In a nutshell. The SawStop guy came out swinging from the get go, the
manufacturer's balked, and it's moved on to the next round. Too early
to tell who the winner will be, but I wouldn't bet against the guy
with the deepest pockets.
Merceces-Benz licenses their antiskid braking patents at no charge (or
did while they were still in force, they may be expired now). If Mr.
Sawstop was really all that interested in preventing injury instead of
lining his own pockets he'd do the same.
ABS were first used in airplanes in the 30's or 40's. Chrysler had
anti-skid technology in the early 70's. Bosch and Mercedes
collaborated in the late 70's and MB rolled them out in the 80's. Not
quite the same thing as having a totally unique technology. I'd also
be very interested to see where they gave away their technology when
there were already competing technologies out there. That's not the
purpose of a patent and it makes no sense from any angle. I did a
quick search but couldn't find anything about it - do you have a link
that I could check out?
Please don't attribute some moral lapse in not taking the high road to
a guy that all the major manufacturer's told to get lost. Anyone
would have a bone to pick with them in that situation, and now he's
set on making his point and teaching them a lesson. After all - he's
a LAWYER. Lawyer's don't necessarily differentiate between making
money and doing good. They're not automatically mutually exclusive.
As far as Gass' position, I could see him negotiating downwards once
the regulations come out. It would be in his best interests to make
the money while he can as numerous billion dollar companies can afford
to lawyer-spank anybody. And it would be in the major players
interest to avoid lawyer fees and work with existing proven technology
instead of losing time in development.
Who's he supposed to be serving - you? It's his fookin' business, and
he gets to run it any way he sees fit. I don't give a rat's ass about
Gass and it's not a popularity contest anyway.
There's an old saying, "You can't blame a guy for asking." He's
asking the CPSC for something. It's up to them whether they say yes
or no. Nobody's holding a gun to their heads.
Your righteous indignation is misplaced, and mis-timed. Your beef
shouldn't be with him. If you have a beef it should be with the CPSC
- IF they essentially pass a SawStop mandate. That's a big if. When
and if that mandate happens, then you can tell me I told you so. I
won't be holding my breath.
Look at two great American inventors:
Motion picture camera
1093 various patents
Ben Franklin put his inventions into the public domain and never charged a
penny for anything.
The only thing Edison gave away was the electric chair.
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