Sawstop - probably a stupid question

Depends on the surface, doesn't it? Ice vs. asphault, for instance?

ABS will thresshold brake on each of the four wheels, independantly. The best driver can only thresshold brake on the slipperiest of the four wheels. With ABS you've got 4 times as many inputs/outputs, and faster reactions on top of it.

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Dave Hinz
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Well, the expert driver isn't "pumping with abandon", they're pushing _just_ shy of the skid point. ABS does the same thing, it's just better at measuring it, and has four feet to push with instead of just one.

Yup. I visit them regularly in ditches. The majority are drunk and/or inexperienced, but I bet they think they're _all_ better than average drivers.

Dave Hinz

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Dave Hinz

I remember reading a few years ago that a survey conducted by AAA showed that somewhere in the vicinity of 80% of motorists think that they are better drivers than average.

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Doug Miller

Actually the driver regardless of how experienced is doing the braking of a vehicle with ABS. The ABS simply monitors the wheels from that point and insures that they are all turning at the same speed. Typically it eases up on the wheel or wheels that that are turning slower than the others. That is probably what you were saying.

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Leon

If you want to defeat most ABS systems just hit the brakes *real* hard, immediately release them and nail them again. On most systems you can get all four wheels stopped with this tactic. The system then detects no differences in rotational speed (all are stopped) so doesn't do anything while you merrily skid down the road.

Tim Douglass

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Tim Douglass

Because I don't think they are evil just because the tried for the government regulation. I don't know their true motivation. While I'm sure that they would have been happy to get the regulation enacted, that may not have been their primary motive. They may have been looking for the publicity to get their product noticed. In that, they seemed to have had some success.

My assumption was also that the government would not be so stupid as to make a requirement for something unless it had been proven to be available and reliable, and that the regulation would not be written in such a way that would preclude the use of an alternate product should one be developed.

As for their 'non-product' status, they are trying to get a complete quality machine made, starting from scratch. If some of the existing manufacturers had decided to license the product, it probably would have been available much sooner.

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Hank Gillette

that's really a bad assumption, in a lot of cases

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Charles Spitzer

Yes, but now that I've noticed them for this reason, I'm not inclined to look favorably on them. Even their "waah, we're not shipping yet because our supplier has several out-of-control processes" letter would have been enough to turn me off from them, but trying to force me to buy something that doesn't work, well, I don't like that.

Google "smart guns" and "legislation" some time. I think your faith in government not doing stupid things is ...misguided...

I thought they were outsourcing it to a low-cost country.

And yet, the people who make a living making saws don't like it either. Hm.

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Dave Hinz

I can understand and empathize with that feeling to a certain extent. I have a libertarian streak when it comes to things that are a personal choice and do not affect other people. The recreational drug laws in this country are (IMO) counter-productive and a restraint on personal freedom. They also benefit those companies that sell legal recreational drugs (alcohol and tobacco).

Are you using Linux? You're probably aware that Microsoft has tried to get the government to ban open source software, claiming that it is not as good as the stuff they are selling.

In some cases, I feel that if certain things are not required by law, they are not going to happen to the detriment of nearly everyone. For example, most coal companies did not repair the damage they did while strip mining until the law forced them to do it. Timber companies seem to be pretty good about replanting trees these days, but there was a lot of clear-cutting of forests in the past.

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Hank Gillette

Another poll found that 19% of Americans believe that their income put them in the top 1%.

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Hank Gillette

Apparently only 3/8's of them were right.

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Leon

and it would be silly to not use already existing cabinet and top designs.

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Charles Spitzer

Really depends. If they can reduce the manufacturing cost by changing the cabinet and/or top designs to accomodate the Sawstop at lower cost than by using the existing designs then it would be silly to use the already existing designs.

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J. Clarke

I have heard quoted that 90% of male drivers believe they are in the top 10% in driving skills.

-j

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J

Clear-cutting goes on. And I'd say it's more true that timber companies are pretty good at convincing people that they're replanting these days.

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GregP

That's easy if by "Average" you mean the mean of driving ability.

The "Average" is of a population that includes drivers who are "newsworthy bad" . . people with 4000 points on their license but who somehow elude arrest. NO idea how they do that. I get nasty letters from the town if I'm three seconds late paying a parking violation. If these guys only took the effort the expend eluding the police into driving skills they'd be in NASCAR.

Most drivers are "Good Enough" to avoid most accidents.

At the top end, there are very few NASCAR-grade drivers, especially in comparison with the number of bad drivers.

This drives the mean down, so that, it is reasonable to suppose that most drivers are indeed "Above Average."

Now, if someone were to ask "Are you above or below the median level of driving skill?" the notion that 80% being above is ludicrous. But most people, when they say "average" mean "Mean" so the result isn't all that surprising.

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U-CDK_CHARLES\Charles

I know that I am .... ;~)

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Leon

It also includes people like my mother. Mom's been driving for over 40 years, never had an accident, never had a ticket.

Observation would suggest that this is your opinion, not a proven fact. :-)

And I suppose you've done the research to back up these claims? Sorry, but I just don't buy it. The population of drivers is large enough that it's statistically unlikely that the bad ones can drag the average down so much that substantially more than half of the total are above average. If you have evidence that the distribution of driving abilities across the population is as far from a normal curve as it would have to be for you to be right, I'd like to see a cite.

That is, of course, what "average" means.

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Doug Miller

well, i've seen accidents and near accidents caused by the proverbial little old lady who never gets a ticket in the situation, but was the proximate cause.

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Charles Spitzer

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