Saw Stop would have prevented this

[Just Wondering]

There isn't a law being proposed that would accomplish that.

[Leon]

Glad you understood that.

[Doug Miller]

[e-mail] wrote in news: [e-mail]:

Take your meds.

[Doug Miller]

Just Wondering wrote in news:51754b3e$0$11537$862e30e2 @ngroups.net:

Specifically because they never seek treatment. I had a family member with a serious mental illness, and a co-worker who appeared to have one -- both of whom were certain they had no problems at all. Serious mental illness often prevents the individual from recognizing the extent of his problems.

Even if diagnosed, a mentally ill person may still be capable of purchasing firearms

*legally* unless there has been a finding _by a court_ that the person is mentally ill:

Form 4473

asks "Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes having been adjudicated incompetent to manage your own affairs) or have you ever been committed to a mental institution?"

A person who has been diagnosed with a serious mental illness, and treated as an outpatient, but has never come in contact with the court system, may truthfully and legally answer this question "No."

And illegal under [current] U.S. Federal law.

How do you determine that someone is *not* a danger? In the case of an overt act or threat, it's pretty easy to determine that someons *is* a danger to himself or others -- but what if he never says or does anything? More to the point -- what if he simply hasn't said or done anything *yet* ?

[Doug Miller]

Just Wondering wrote in news:51754db1$0$11425$ [e-mail]:

Point taken. I should have said "There are hardly any ... on the domestic market now".

[Lew Hodgett]

------------------------------------------------------------------------- Just W> "Gun control" isn't about controlling guns, or even controlling

------------------------------------------------------ What I find so absolutely humorous is that the gov't has already taken away some of those rights of "law-abiding citizens" with out so much as a whimper.

It's called the Patriot Act.

All this hoopla about gun owner's rights is coming straight from the firearms dealers and manufacturers using the NRA as it's spokesman.

As the old saying goes, "Follow the money".

Lew

[Doug Miller]

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:51756b8f$0$46957$c3e8da3 $ [e-mail]:

What rights of law-abiding citizens has the Patriot Act taken away? Be specific, and cite sources of fact.

[Larry Blanchard]

Doug, without going into a lot of details, just the fact that several provisions have already been declared unconstitutional should serve as some measure of proof.

And you might want to read the "controversy" section of:

[Just Wondering]

Many gun control advocates do not.

[Lew Hodgett]

-------------------------------------------------------- You lazy son of a bitch.

Get up off your dead and dying ass and do your own research.

Might start by reading the Patroit Act itself.

Lew

[Doug Miller]

"Lew Hodgett" wrote in news:5175963f$0$47053$c3e8da3 $ [e-mail]:

In other words... you don't know of any.

Figures that the only response you could manage was name-calling. Grow up, Lew.

[Scott Lurndal]

"National Security Letters" plain and simple violation of the 4th amendment.

It's funny how all the 2nd amendment supporters seem to forget about the 1st,

4th and 5th amendments.

scott

[Doug Miller]

[e-mail] (Scott Lurndal) wrote in news:fvhdt.140324$P% [e-mail]:

The 4th Amendment prohibits unreasonable searches and seizures, not all searches and seizures -- which leaves it up to a court to determine what's reasonable and what's not.

It's funny how people pontificate about the Constitution without having actually read it -- or read things that aren't there.

[Lew Hodgett]

----------------------------------------------- Careful now, don't want to load them down with too much homework.

Lew

[none]

On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:27:42 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller

Is that anything like replyiing with some insult like "Take your meds"?

You're a hypocritical asshole.

[Doug Miller]

[e-mail] wrote in news: [e-mail]:

Pot, kettle, black -- in your world, it's OK for you to insult me, but not for me to insult you in return?

Grow up, Dave.

[none]

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 07:36:07 -0400, "Mike Marlow"

Really? Most ALL legislative bodies everywhere work that way, but that doesn't preclude for one second that money has and frequently is used to coerce and manipulate people, expecially in your senate.

It has manipulated when supporting those people getting into power and it has coerced with the threat of removing that support when those people are in power. 'Coerced manipulation' appears to be a very APT description.

[none]

On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:31:03 -0400, "Mike Marlow"

Ok, I can't argue with that point. Maybe if I had the money or power and was firmly entrenched in the wants of an organization like your NRA, it might be different.

However, and it's a BIG HOWEVER, consider the size of the hold your NRA has on your elected officials versus the really big amount of people that oppose NRA values. The NRA appears to be holding an awful lot of control of your governing bodies compared to the amount of people who don't subscribe to their tenets.

I'd suggest that it's an UNEQUAL division of power. When you get too many people below, at, or near the poverty line, for *whatever reason*, it eventually fosters a rebellion, a French revolution if you will. Call it socialism or whatever, but there will eventually be a rebellion.

I'd suggest that you're seeing the beginnings of it happening here. Not a money rebellion, but a gun versus no gun rebellion. Coupled with those very public shootings that appear to be happening more often, people are going to rise up and eventually, your NRA may be overwhelmed ~ a real or behind the scenes civil war of you will.

[Steve Barker]

Seems to me a couple of box knives killed thousands on 9-11.

[Leon]

No, I believe it was the airplanes. If you are saying that the box knives facilitated the start of destruction you might as well say that the hyjackers clothing killed thousands also. They would not have been able to get on board the air plane had they been naked.