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On 4/21/13 6:19 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:

Unfortunate, Lew, there are lots of quotes available on youtube of people like Nancy Pelosi saying their goal is to get rid of publicly owned guns.
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On 4/21/13 6:19 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:

Unfortunate, Lew, there are lots of quotes available on youtube of people like Nancy Pelosi saying their goal is to get rid of publicly owned guns. ============================================================Except hers.
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On 4/22/13 12:09 AM, CW wrote:

I'm not going to do your homework for you. If you can find it, on youtube, it's quoted in articles on the internet. Her, Diane Feinstein, Harry Reid, and plenty of state and local government official all stating if they had their way, there would be no privately owned gun in the US.
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On Sun, 21 Apr 2013 21:01:58 -0400, "Mike Marlow"

A "truth" which is *ENTIRELY* slanted to their own ends. And, a "truth" that involves coercive manipulation on many, many different levels.
Are you really going to sit there and say that their actions are not dedicated solely to their own benefit?
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On Mon, 22 Apr 2013 09:10:31 -0400, "Mike Marlow"

So you don't believe that the NRA had or has ever had any part or manipulation of your senate?

When a self concerned body of people have very familar control of one of your primary bodies of government, I don't need to look for other examples.
In any event, I'm not American. I didn't grow up with many of the laws and values that Americans have, so I'll never closely agree with some of your opinions on things. The right to gun ownership is one of those things I'll never agree with.
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On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 07:36:07 -0400, "Mike Marlow"

Really? Most ALL legislative bodies everywhere work that way, but that doesn't preclude for one second that money has and frequently is used to coerce and manipulate people, expecially in your senate.
It has manipulated when supporting those people getting into power and it has coerced with the threat of removing that support when those people are in power. 'Coerced manipulation' appears to be a very APT description.
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On Tue, 23 Apr 2013 08:31:03 -0400, "Mike Marlow"

Ok, I can't argue with that point. Maybe if I had the money or power and was firmly entrenched in the wants of an organization like your NRA, it might be different.
However, and it's a BIG HOWEVER, consider the size of the hold your NRA has on your elected officials versus the really big amount of people that oppose NRA values. The NRA appears to be holding an awful lot of control of your governing bodies compared to the amount of people who don't subscribe to their tenets.
I'd suggest that it's an UNEQUAL division of power. When you get too many people below, at, or near the poverty line, for *whatever reason*, it eventually fosters a rebellion, a French revolution if you will. Call it socialism or whatever, but there will eventually be a rebellion.
I'd suggest that you're seeing the beginnings of it happening here. Not a money rebellion, but a gun versus no gun rebellion. Coupled with those very public shootings that appear to be happening more often, people are going to rise up and eventually, your NRA may be overwhelmed ~ a real or behind the scenes civil war of you will.
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"Mike Marlow" wrote:

Looks like the Dallas DA must have missed it.
Too bad, three people including the DA himself lost their lives do to his screw up.
As far as the NRA is concerned, they are strictly losers.
I can just see Miss Zeh, my middle aged, 2nd grade teacher packing
her .44 while teaching me to write.
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On 4/21/2013 5:19 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:

would have to be a medical diagnosis of mental illness. Many mentally ill people are never diagnosed. Second, there would have to be a central database of those diagnoses, which is impossible with the doctor-patient privilege. Third, how do you distinguish people who while mentally ill represent no danger to themselves or anyone else. Would you restrict their rights too?
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Specifically because they never seek treatment. I had a family member with a serious mental illness, and a co-worker who appeared to have one -- both of whom were certain they had no problems at all. Serious mental illness often prevents the individual from recognizing the extent of his problems.
Even if diagnosed, a mentally ill person may still be capable of purchasing firearms *legally* unless there has been a finding _by a court_ that the person is mentally ill:
Form 4473 www.atf.gov/files/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf asks "Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes having been adjudicated incompetent to manage your own affairs) or have you ever been committed to a mental institution?"
A person who has been diagnosed with a serious mental illness, and treated as an outpatient, but has never come in contact with the court system, may truthfully and legally answer this question "No."

And illegal under [current] U.S. Federal law.

How do you determine that someone is *not* a danger? In the case of an overt act or threat, it's pretty easy to determine that someons *is* a danger to himself or others -- but what if he never says or does anything? More to the point -- what if he simply hasn't said or done anything *yet* ?
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snipped-for-privacy@teksavvy.com wrote in

You completely misunderstand the purpose, and the importance, of the right to keep and bear arms.

It wasn't created by the courts.
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On 4/19/13 1:20 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

I might be in favor of that, except that driving isn't a right protected by the constitution.
I believe people should treat their cars as the weapons they are and I believe people should become as familiar with operating a firearm as they are a car.
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On 4/19/2013 12:20 PM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

privilege (it is not), rather than a constitutional right (which it is). If it was a privilege, the government would have the power to prevent gun ownership altogether, which would be unconstitutional. This is a MAJOR distinction from cars - operating a car is a privilege, not a right.
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On 4/19/2013 5:16 AM, Doug Miller wrote:

registered vehicles, but fewer firearm deaths than vehicular deaths. It is impossible to say how much ammunition is sold to those private firearm owners, but it is "many" billions of rounds a year. The actual risk of harm from firearm use by law-abiding citizens is miniscule. Most gun-control proposals target those law-abiding citizens, not the criminal use of firearms.
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 21:38:33 -0600, Dave wrote

A 1994 Department of Justice study estimated 1.5 million defensive gun uses annually. 1993 National Crime Victimization Survey estimated 108,000 DGU's annually. -BR
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On 04/18/2013 08:05 PM, Dave wrote:

Well, to be country specific, the U.S. has a little thing in our Constitution called the Second Amendment. Our citizenry has been (mostly) armed for the last 300 years or so. Only recently have we given up the remedy for misuse of firearms of hanging the perpetrators, and therein lies the problem.
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On 4/18/2013 10:21 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:
Only recently have we

Exactly!
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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 20:21:38 -0700, Doug Winterburn

I'd suggest that your point was valid those 300 years or so ago. Society has change quite a bit on 300 years. The firearm is not necessary for survival, at least not in a food sense. And considering the close confines of people in cities, a gun can be a dangerous thing to have around.

From some of the easy convictions handed down these days, I'd tend to agree with you.
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On 04/18/2013 08:50 PM, Dave wrote:

Perhaps if you lived as close to the Mexican border as I (and millions of other legal US citizens) do, you might re-assess the need for self defense - no matter what our current homeland security head says about border security. I'm 90 miles north of the border, and I see signs 3 miles from my house warning me not to venture into the desert because of human and drug smuggling. This is supposed to be public land! We have had running gun battles between coyotes vying for each others smuggled illegals kill innocent travelers on Interstate 10. We have had ranchers killed on their own property by drug smugglers. I'd be negligent without a personal firearm to protect my family and myself!
And to add to that, my sister (now deceased) lived in Custer, WA. She was a horse person and enjoyed riding near her home close to the Canadian border. She gave it up as she had too may close calls with drug smugglers bringing that crap from Canada into the US.

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On Thu, 18 Apr 2013 21:05:57 -0700, Doug Winterburn

Well, you maybe right. I don't experience that kind of stress where I live. I do live in a crowded city in an apartment building that has its own level of stress or possible danger if you prefer.
And, I will admit one other thing. If guns were legal and easily obtained I'd own one now. A little over thirty years ago, I used to do quite a bit of target shooting and owned a half dozen rifles and hand guns. But, those day are long gone and unlikely to return.
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