Not likely applicable as visual contact with the suspect must be maintained
throughout the chase for that to apply in the use of force... Since they had
no idea where the suspect was it would be hard to argue that it was a legal
search without the consent of the residents. That said, apparently most of
the people were grateful to be searched... I guess fear of the suspects and
the intimidation of having heavily armed police at your door has an
influence on ones decisions!
"Lew Hodgett" wrote:
Since it turns out they had him surrounded from the gitgo,
could probably make a very good "hot pursuit" case with a judge.
What ever way you want to cut it, a lot of folks in greater Boston are
That is for sure! A better outcome than anticipated... especially
considering that between the two shooting sessions apparently 300+ rounds
were discharged. Reports claimed 200 in the first one and another estimated
100 in the second one. Goes to show what stress and fatigue can do to one's
fine motor skills!
This is untrue.
There are very nearly as many deaths due to firearms in the U.S. as due to
(roughly 31000 vs 34000, respectively, in 2011).
Over 60% of the firearm deaths are suicides, about 2% are accidents, around
murders, and roughly 5% each non-murder homicide (e.g. self-defense) and
I did not intend my post to be understood as in any way supporting
restrictions on firearm ownership or possession. My only purpose
was to state accurate figures about the relative numbers of deaths
due to firearms and other causes. Guns kill nearly as many people
annually in the US as cars do, and *far more* people are killed by
guns than by ball bats and hammers.
Actual death figures from the CDC for 2011:
homicide by discharge of firearms -- 11,101
homicide by *all*other*means* -- 4,852
suicide by discharge of firearms -- 19,766
accidental discharge of firearms -- 851 (unusually high that year;normal is
about half that)
discharge of firearms, undetermined intent -- 222
total of firearms homicide, suicide, accident, undetermined --
31,940 motor vehicle accidents -- 34,677
accidental poisoning -- 33,554 (includes drug overdoses)
To actually qualify as an assault weapon, the firearm must be capable of
firing multiple rounds with a single trigger pull. Most so-called
"assault" weapons are only semiautomatics and are not really assault
weapons at all. How does that affect your .6%?
I'm sure it doesn't. That's why I always put "assault' in quotation
marks whenever I debate this topic. Because there are no legal assault
weapons readily, legally, available to the public in the US.
I'm quite certain that statistic includes only weapon that are
cosmetically "military-style" or come with a swappable magazine.
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 18:04:54 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
And you're full of crap. As I said before you attempted to twist it
into something else, Guns have mostly one use, and that's for shooting
people OR animals. Does that qualify it for you???
Cars have many, many more uses than guns and there's no way in hell
you can compare the two when it comes to general use. So STFU.
firstname.lastname@example.org (Scott Lurndal) wrote in
In the United States, owning and operating a gun is a right protected by the
whereas owning and operating a car is not -- in fact, operating a car on public
roads has been
found by our courts to be a *privilege* granted by the government, not a
On Fri, 19 Apr 2013 18:50:01 +0000 (UTC), Doug Miller
Back then, guns were needed for survival. Try using the little bit of
brain power that you've got. Cars didn't exist then so they couldn't
have granted privilege anyway.
IF you're going to compare the two with your bullshit logic, then ask
yourself if your courts would have created the second amendment when
cars were as much a fact of life as guns were.
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