Forgive him... he knows not what he asks.
DG: search this group with Google and you will find over 8,000 (that's
right, 8,000) related hits.
All kinds of opinions on the saw, and all things related.
I am hoping your question is not irreversable.
The last volcano that erupted over this machine covered the machine
lightly, but hit hard on people too stupid to use power tools, civil
rights violations, big business versus the little guy, smoking and
eating choices, and a lot of other subjects that turned ugly and
I am sure you asked out of innocence....
Forgive him group... he knows not what he asks.
I'll take pity and answer your question real quick.
It's an expensive saw. But it's good quality. Yes it works.
Sometimes it misfires. It destroys the blade and needs a new $80
cartridge when it fires. It can't cut pressure treated wood, green
wood, or hotdogs without misfiring. There's a switch that turns it off
to cut these things that you can forget to turn back on, or forget to
turn off in the first place. The man who invented it is an ass-hat.
He tried to get the other saw companies to license his technology for a
ridiculous fee. They all turned him down. Then he try to get it's use
mandated by law creating the ass-hat status. That failed, so he
started the sawstop company you see today.
What would be really funny now is if you asked whether left tilt or
right tilt was better.
It is more expensive than a non-protected saw .. .. my employer just
took delivery on one .. $4,000 including 5 extra cartridges, long fence
rails, side table, 3ph 460v motor, shipping & tax.
We did 2 demonstrations for the guys who would be using it and for the
Plant Manager to see what he bought. In each case, the cartridge, of
course was destroyed .. .. but NOT the blade. We were able to tap the
teeth loose from the cartridge in both cases with no apparent damage to
them. In the event that effort failed, only 3 teeth would have had to
have been replaced .. NOT the whole blade. The replacement cartridges
are $59 .. NOT $80. The saw WILL cut green and/or pressure-treated
wood WITHOUT triggering .. the saw will stop and flash a code on it's
LED's letting you know IF it detects a condition where it MAY trigger
falsely, giving yo the option of stopping that cut or by-passing the
The saw WILL, in fact cut a hot dog neatly in two as I found out in one
of my demonstrations .. .. I placed the hot dog in a v-notch cut into a
2"X4" and proceeded to pass it thru the blade. Everyone was astonished
when the hot dog was cut in two. A few seconds later, I realized that
I was not touching the hot dog, and it occurred to all of us that the
hot dog, by itself didn't have the capacity to draw the charge off of
the blade fast enough to trip the safety. I reset everything, placed
my finger on the end of the hot dog, and tried it again. As predicted,
everything went as expected. The test was even more impressive than
the factory video in one respect. I did the test with a blade ground
with ATB. Examination of the hot dog after the test revealed that only
one tooth of the blade came in contact with the hot dog, and that was a
very shallow "nick" which would have easily been covered with a band-aid.
I retired from that company last week and on my way out, both the Plant
Manager and the Maintenance Director thanked me personally for having
made them aware of this wonderful device. They said that one visit to
the Emergency Room for stitches would have cost more than the saw, the
cost of a re-attachment of a severed finger would have been at least 10X
that amount, not to mention the pain & suffering of the amputee and the
time lost from work, etc.
I firmly believe in the SawStop, and will have one in my own shop,
hopefully before too long.
As to the point about the by-pass switch .. once activated in by-pass
mode, the saw stays in by-pass UNTIL it is shut down in any way and when
it is turned back on, the full-protect mode is automatically enabled.
When I spoke with the reps at the wood show they said that the whole
blade would need to be replaced. Due to the stress of the sudden stop
there may be hidden damage to the teeth that could result in them flying
off if the blade was re-used.
> The replacement cartridges
--What he said.. I've had one in my shop for over a year now;
finally triggered the cartridge the other day, when I did something stupid.
I had built a metal fixture that I knew would get nicked on the first cut
and I could have turned off the sensor but it just never crossed my mind.
That's the clue: sometimes I forget stuff and it's great that this
wonderful tool "remembers" for me. Sure, I triggered the cartridge and I
*did* destroy the blade (it tore 3 carbide teeth off of the blade; nothing
left to reattach them), but it was a lesson I was pleased to learn the easy
way, instead of the hard way. A good wake-up call.
--And the saw is incredibly well detailed, in terms of the little
things that really matter when added together, like the magnetic latch on
the internal door on the dust chute and the added hinge that lets the whole
door be removed for easier blade and cartridge changing. I like that there's
a bracket to hold the T-square, too. Many other little details, but none
come to mind at the moment. Well worth the investment. I'm waiting 'til
they've got something I can retrofit to other tools in my shop..
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : There's never a tachikoma
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : around when I need one!
$4000 for a table saw?!?!?! Holy cow, wish I had your budget...
Hell, I lost the end of a finger on my $500 saw. Surgery with
insurance was nothing, few co-pays on visits, 9 fingers to go, I still
think I'd come out ahead;+}
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