Ridgid, Grizzly, or other 6" Jointer?

Add 1/4, 3/8, 7/16, 3/4, 13/16, 7/8 and 15/16 and it is at least 1000. Probably considerably more as I always buy rough stock.

If it is actually 2" thick I would first rip down to 1 1/4 or a bit more. After that, 4-5 passes...4-5 minutes.

Sure, as long as it is no more than 3" thick.

You have your preference, I have mine. There is no doubt that a planer is useful and faster but budgetary and space considerations are a consideration. As I've said before, I would get rid of ANY other tool before the sander.

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On 02/19/2016 10:59 AM, Jack wrote: ...

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A) Well eonough to satisfy me, yes... B) Not "zero" but it's quick-enough with a gauge and done infrequently enough as to not bother me... C) Eh? D) No, they're also solid carbide so last at least as long being more solid...I've sets of HSS that are extremely finely honed for work like A) when it arises...

I'm not saying there's no reason; only that I'd certainly never tell somebody to stop on that account from going forward; particularly when they've commented they're on a budget.

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dpb

Seems to be a lot of conjecture and speculation as to what the OP should buy. We really need to get this right. To do it properly, the OP should submit the following: Income records for the past five years Liabilities, mortgage, credit card statements. List of woodworking projects from the past three years. Projected projects for the next three years. Plans should be included if available. Inventory of wood and materials.

Once those materials are submitted the Equipment Committee will review and recommend the right equipment.

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Ed Pawlowski

I can recommend a tool without marrying the guy! ;-)

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krw

They may last as long, but once they get dull, that's it, and sharpening/set up is not fun. A segmented cutter can simply be rotated so you have 4 times the usage before sharpening/replacement, and set up is automatic. Also a nick in a blade is simple to fix just by rotating one cutter, and again, alignment is automatic.

I guess it comes down to how long it would take you to save up a few hundred bucks. My experience is it is well worth the wait, the advantages are rather large. It's not like it cost 5-6 times as much, it's just a bit more money. A Festool shop vac cost 5-6 times as much as a normal shop vac, and the advantages are not really much.

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Jack

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No, set up is _not_ much of an issue with a knife-setting jig. Does your cutterhead have the back-pressure springs? If not, it can indeed be a nuisance, but if have them to work against, it's quite a routine exercise. I suppose it helps to have done enough to have developed both a setup method and a little dexterity in the process over the 30+ years...

As for sharpening, I have two sets; I send the one out and use the other but it's normally at least a year between. At the amount of work I've been doing it's been longer than that although was getting ready to ramp up again to do the barn windows and hopefully some other stuff this spring.

That part, to me, just is a non-issue entirely and no reason to switch.

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dpb

On 02/20/2016 7:50 AM, Jack wrote: ...

I thought you above were rueing the fact you hadn't done so? If not, what's the advantage other than pure hypothesis of which you speak?

I hadn't priced replacements so used Grizz...turns out they're basically a wash for replacement as far as initial cost...the 8" head has 40 inserts that are roughly $40/10 so $40*4 = $160 per set or, dividing out the four sides, $40/one edge. That's about the cost of their set of straight knives. Of course, you've got 4X the cost outlay at one time to counter that a little so there is more pain up front although one may manage to stagger replacement such that never do buy a full new set at once.

OTOH, while the carbide solid knives were more up front, I've had these sets for approaching 20 years and they'll outlast me with just a few sharpenings as they're still wide enough for at least several more times as long as they don't get deeply knicked...

Anyway, if I were in the market for a new one, I'd consider it but it wouldn't be the primary reason for a go/no-go decision by any stretch if, as OP notes, were on a budget and for a smaller machine to start with.

If I were back at the time I bought the PM Model 66, I'd probably be on the same side of the fence -- I did, in fact, suffer along with an old DeWalt RAS as the only thing for years until I could finally feel could afford the 66 that I had lusted for for years...but I was _much_ younger and full of plans at the time, then!!! :)

But, I don't get that's OP's position now and I'm counseling him, not making my own decision here.

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dpb

Not really. A Festool vacuum costs 5-6 times the Ridgid, and work about the same.

Obviously I'm not telling anyone what they _had_ to do. I'm also not telling them to buy an expensive planer. They can buy a cheap Grizzly segmented helical planer for not a whole lot more than a cheap long blade Grizzly planer. If money is not an issue, they can buy a better Laguna, or similar spiral cutter head planer for 2x as much money. Both tools will do the same job, and depending on your finances, and usage, either will perform much better than a long blade planer. If you are a hobbyist, or a small custom shop, either might work ok, if you're A huge furniture manufacturer, then that little Laguna might look like a piece of junk.

I don't recommend buying junk though. Harbor Freight sells a 12" planer for under $300. That might suit some, but not me. If you need a planer today, and only have $300 to spend, that could be your only choice I guess, otherwise, I'd recommend against it. If you already own a decent long blade planer or jointer, no need to sell them and buy ones with helical segmented cutter heads, but if you did, you would _not_ be unhappy.

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Jack wrote in news:naa5n5$11q$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:

I suspect it's because of 4 letters: HEPA. I noticed looking at vacs a few years ago that those 4 letters double a Vac's price. Ridgid had two that were almost identical, but one was HEPA and the other not. $200 price difference, IIRC.

I can see paying extra for some of the features a Festool or Fein vac has, but maybe not $400 extra. I sure do like the variable speed and automatic on, but those features alone aren't worth quite that much.

(FYI, my price information could be out of date... or just plain wrong. I'm not checking figures for a Usenet post.)

Puckdropper

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Puckdropper

Not really they don't, no...they're two toally different class of machines besides the premium for the

Rigid Festool Drum Size 6 Gallons (US) 6.9 (6.3 filter bag capacity) Peak HP 3.5 Nonsense spec Air Watts 124 Voltage 120 120 CFM 62 137 CFM (Over double note) Amps 5.8 2.9-10 Filter 1-Layer Standard HEPA(*) pleated paper

(*) US DOE HEPA Definition--Must capture 99.997% of all particulates >=0.3 microns.

Plus, the Festool has automatic switching of the associated tools plugged into it and many other amenities/features. Just not the same beasties at all to compare to each other.

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dpb

The Goretex filters for a Shopvac will give you a good approximation of a hepa filtered one.

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Markem

On 02/20/2016 3:35 PM, Markem wrote: ...

Thru the filter itself, maybe; most non-HEPA-qualified vac's have quite a lot of bypass leakage, however, which pretty much defeats the purpose...

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dpb

There's a used 6" powermatic in Portland for $475. Check it out.... Make an offer?... if it's still available.

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A 6" Jet in Vancouver for $450. Make an offer if still available.

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Sonny

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Sonny

I hear that. I'm not recommending anyone "switch", just not to go there in the first place. I myself have not switched my long blade jointer. I'm certain however, if I was 40 years younger and buying my first jointer/planer, they would have the segmented spiral cutter heads.

I also would buy a Domino or similar tool rather than an el cheapo Delta mortise machine. I'd have to look into whether the extra 300 for the Festool was worth it vs say a Lamello, but I know I'd not be buying a dedicated mortiser, even though we lived many years w/o the Domino. This is based on owning a cheap delta mortiser, and Leon's comments on the Domino as well as watching them in use and seeing the advantages.

This is just my opinion of course. Those just starting out can take it or leave it, it's just one guys opinion.

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Jack

Standard 2.5" hoses fit it, along with their attachments, so my old shop vac stuff works fine. It doesn't go on automatically when I plug a tool into it, but I don't care there either, because all my tools are on a dust collector system. I have no problem flicking the switch on my Long Ranger.

My main reason for getting rid of the shop vac, which I've had for 40 years, and it still works same as it did the day I got it, was noise.(damn things you want to break never do)

The ridged sucks harder, a plus, but mainly it is quiet enough it doesn't bother me in the least. The old Shop Vac was the only tool I needed ear muffs with, and that includes chainsaws and routers, although routers are nasty noise wise. That shop vac made my ears bleed.

The only way I'd spend all the cash on a Festool vac is if a Texas oil well sprung up in my yard. Otherwise, I'd happily spend the cash on a spiral cutter head, or towards purchase of a Domino, or if I already owned those, maybe a ROTEX, just to see if it would make sanding fun, as Leon contends:-)

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Jack

OK, but immaterial...the comparison would show the same thing relatively.

It's what you _don't_ see that is typically the most most dangerous from a health standpoint.

Again, HEPA and Festool's meet a certain market; in large part driven by the (relatively) new EPA RPP lead rules that mandate same under harsh penalty if not complied to by those who are subject to it. Ridgid won't cut it in that environment.

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dpb

6HP???
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krw

Jack wrote in news:nacvr8$hlg$ snipped-for-privacy@dont-email.me:

Home Depot offers a HEPA filter for the WD1450, I think it was VF5000 or VF6000. There may still be a bit of blow-by, but it does seem like the vacuum seals pretty well.

Puckdropper

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Puckdropper

I prefer to think regular green and black. No white. LOL

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Leon

Just a bit of info concerning the Lamello to the Domino. I seriously doubt that there is much difference in the quality of the two units.

The huge difference however is what they are making cuts for, the biscuit or the floating tenon. IMHO the floating tenons are stronger and fit in a larger variety of places. While the biscuit comes in the FF size for face frames it is still twice as wide as a 5mm Domino which is approximately 3/4" wide. IIRC the FF biscuit is 1-3/16" wide and penetrates 1/4" on both halves. The 5mm Domino penetrated 1/2" on both halves and is about 3/4" wide.

There is a smaller Domino tenon, 4mm, and a much larger one, 10mm, that the smaller Domino mortiser will cut and it penetrates about 1" on each half of the joint.

Basically you can add floating tenons to the end of a 1" wide rail with no worry of it showing, not so with a plate joiner.

Just saying.

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Leon

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