Review: NYW on DIY

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On Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:15:44 -0400, flip+@andrew.SeeEmmYou.EeeDeeYou wrote:

Depends on what you mean. They've been putting in ads in sporting events like that for years, especially football games and racing where they have big areas of wall to stick local and regional ads, depending on where it's being broadcast. It would be much more difficult on a show like NYW to insert tools or something, although they could put in ads on the walls of Norm's workshop pretty easily, I would think.
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"LRod" wrote in message

You are correct. I doubt that even the cat, who appears to watch most of the TV around here, would put up with that.
I wasn't sure just how much increase there was, or what the ratio of content to ads there was these days, until your post.
I just knew there was indeed an increase. Actually, I would have sworn it was bit higher than answer.com indicates(whose authority is unsubstantiated in any case), but certainly not 50:50.
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swingman wrote:
<<It's actuallly closer to 30% today ... from answers.com: >>
The primary reason I haven't watched television in over 10 years.
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Greg Esres wrote:

My wife turns the set on for Oprah and the news ... and that's two more programs than I will turn it on for.
This week Oprah is traveling across country in a car. I've seen several scenes as I walked through the living room. SHe's got a bit of a potty mouth on her.
I think I like Martha Stewart better. At least she keeps her cussing off camera.
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<<Thats why I gave up watching Saturday Night Live 20 years ago. I started taping it and found 51% was commercials.>>
I gave up watching Saturday Night Live when it stopped being funny.
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LRod, Our TV system operates supposedly free to the watchers, ergo we pay indirectly when we purchase the advertised products. In Europe the viewer is directly taxed for his TV viewing.on some periodic basis. Shortening the the useful portion of a program and lenthening its commercial portion is the same as raising its cost. A good comparrison is keeping the price of a Hershey bar fixed but lowering its weight.
I have noticed the lessening of content matter at the expense of commercials for some time now and as a result watch less TV. I assume I'm not the only one, witness the growth of Netflix et al.
TNYW, TOH & Ask TOH are creations of Russel Morash who is entitled to sell his productions to the highest bidder. There is a tipping point however at which watchers will turn away ( they perceive their time is being squandered). By the tone of your posting I gather you are near this point.
As to the DIY network, IMHO its a few worthwile programs surrounded by a sea of mediocraties. There are a few hosts on that network who could easily be sent to fetch a pail of steam.
Remember fellow woodworkers, "There is no free lunch". If you would watch Norm for free don't expect a 100% rendition.
Joe G
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SNIP

It isn't just NYW. I am a documentary junkie.. if it is loaded with facts, I will watch it. I do not have cable telelvision, only broadcast TV. I can get about 7-8 English speaking channels of crap for nothing, so I never saw the need to leap to 100 channels of crap for $50 a month.
So imagine my surprise when watching Discovery channel at a buddy of mine's house and seeing certain documentaries that have already aired on PBS. "New" to the Discovery channel, it is simply re-edited material from PBS. Closer attention to the end credits on some documetaries from other stations have revealed the same thing.
The documentary on the building of the Brooklyn Bridge was cut from 52 minutes to about 40. The original "Search for the Bismarck" - same thing. Digging around on the net revealed this is actually a common practice that has been going on for some time. It may already be to the point with some that the original documentary makers wouldn't recognize their own product.
Some of the documentaries I have been watching over the years are actually property of PBS of other nations and professional doc makers like National Geographic, and they have been edited for length, content and dubbed in English for presentation here.
I think the thing that would particulary annoy me about editing an instructional piece would be in my mind's eye seeing Norm (while working on a Duncan Phyfe repro) say "let's go over to the assembly table and get started. We'll need clamps, glue, and our brad nailer".
They cut to commercial. I learn all about feeling springtime fresh throughout the day (even in that "special time"), I see that most beer drinkers are either spoiled 30 somethings or real knuckleheads, or find out what's on sale at Sonic or Empire Carpets.
Back to the show. Norm is finishing (when did he assemble?) and after thirty seconds of that, he is dusting his piece (watch it...) and proclaiming all would be proud of it, then giving instructions on how to order a measured piece with drawings. Cue music, then a preview of the next 15 minute show.
Nasty. Just nasty. Another reason to stay away from TV.
Robert
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wrote:
Sure, there were a couple of minor cuts that I noticed at

So we shouldn't watch that episode because making the all important fingerboard was omitted? Well, I guess that makes sense on someone's planet, but not mine. Don't you have anything more important to be shocked about? I see no reason to complain, 90% of Norm is better than no Norm at all. Why not send your objections to Morash? I bet he'd also be shocked to learn of this travesty.
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Death of a thousand cuts. It was much more than the fingerboard. I also erred--it wasn't one out of four projects--I forgot the tapering jig he built. They left out one out of five. That doesn't diminish my pique.

Good for you.

Probably, but I also have time to be shocked about this.

I can hardly disagree there, but if you view it from the expectation of 100% of Norm then there is a problem.

It depends. If it's strictly a money thing, then I doubt he'd care a whit. If he's truly an artist, then the prospect of 20% of his work being chopped up for profit might in fact shock him.
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wrote:

Huge snippage:
Maybe it's not all bad. Here is something I'm looking forward to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwMXYK0dI4A

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Not bad! And the woodworking is great too!
MJ Wallace
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Thanks Roy. I'll be writing to all three of my PBS station today!
I don't know how Dean Johnson missed her...
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ROY! wrote: (snip happens)

Her lumber source looks like Public Lumber in Detroit ... right down to the entrance ... hmmmm.
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wrote:

There is a lumber dealer in Dallas that has a similar entrance as well.
Think the trailer indicated she is in Boston.
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I also have an extensive NYW video collection, captured into MPEG files, and noticed the same thing you did. IIRC, there's about a 5 second shot they cut where he plugged in his dust collector and the missing fingerboards you noticed. They snip the preview of next episode's project and add some music and a logo as they go into and come out of each commercial.
When my PBS copy is good I'll stick with that, but I do have some marginal HGTV episodes and will decide on a case-by-case basis if they are worthy of replacement, or perhaps I should edit in the missing pieces from the poor recording into the DIY capture.
Mike Brown
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On 18 Mar 2007 16:17:26 -0700, snipped-for-privacy@gmail.com wrote:

They also chopped out the part where he drilled the hole in the panel cutter and advised how to hang it somewhere convenient to encourage using it.

Wow. You are lucky to have been able to grab those HGTV broadcasts when you did. I'm sure you didn't have the video capture cabability back in 1989 when the PBS broadcasts started.
Just for your information, HGTV only ever rebroadcast the first 12 seasons. And they had three separate contracts--'89-'96, 97-98, and 99-2000. I don't recall the specifics, but I would be very surprised if they got through that last batch more than once before they pulled the plug a few years ago (wish I could remember when it was exactly). Consider yourself fortunate if you have many PBS versions before 2000.
The DIY contract is for at least season 13 (2001), but no earlier. That's all I've been able to find so far. I doubt you will see any earlier broadcasts from them (even though they are a subsidiary of HGTV).
I thought about the editing-in part. Probably more work than I'm interested in doing. Of course I'm working from VCR/DVR/DVD so it's probably more cumbersome than doing it all on the computer.
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LRod wrote:

It is not only TNYW, as others have said, but the entire HGTV approach on all its channels, however, DIY is the worst. Try finding a episode on the website after you have just watched it on line. You might find it, MAYBE, with a treasure map, blood hound and a large search party. But mostly, it just is not there.
If something pops up on DIY that is mildly interesting, and there is nothing else on, I will watch it. But frankly, neither the channel nor the website has anything to offer that you can't get better elsewhere.
Deb
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L Rod, I guess we are beginning to flog a dead horse by critisizing the DIY network. But they do deserve it. I think some of their hosts, the ones they get from central casting, know less about their subject than a pig knows about Sunday. Joe G
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wrote:

Last I checked it's $25 for the video + plan, I don't see where you can get just the video. And it's pretty limited as to what you can get on dvd.
I find it amazing they aren't offering whole seasons together on dvd without plans.
-Leuf
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"Leuf" wrote

I was reading an industry report that used the Stargate (science fiction) episodes as an example for DVD pricing. It was pointed out that science fiction fans would never pay the high pricing that many TV shows demanded. So they priced them reasonably. And they are outselling many other shows. And adding nicely to somebody's bottom line.
You would think that somebody would learn from that example.
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