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Let's see, $3.5B/312M is only $11,000 per person. We pay that much (only two of us), and perhaps you do, but I don't see it happening for "the poor". Even I wouldn't much like it with a family of six. No, flat *rate* is good enough, even with *a* standard deduction.
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On 10/14/2011 11:55 AM, snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

And what makes a person feel they are "entitled" to have 6 kids? Don't get me started...lol.
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Are you in favor of the Chinese solution? Nazi Germany? Do you think the government should determine who should (not) have children?
That's where you're going with this.
BTW, a family of six usually has four children. ;-)

Go for it! ;-)
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On 10/14/2011 11:30 AM, snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

Why do you always take the opposite extreme view???
I feel that if you cannot pay your bills and support your children you should think about not having any more.
Or keep popping them out, rely more on the government for support, and become another statistic. That is not working for a particular group.
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Read it again. I don't take that view, rather that's the view Bill is expressing; government should control fertility.

Should? We agree. That is NOT what Bill said in:
"And what makes a person feel they are "entitled" to have 6 kids?"
Notice the word "entitled". What's the opposite?

This certainly should be discouraged, but don't you think that needing someone to "allow" someone to have children is a little on the Chinese or Nazi side? In a free society, people most certainly *ARE* entitled to have children.
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snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

krw, I agree with Leon's statement above.

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So do I (keywords: "should think about not") but that is NOT what you said.
Again, you said,
"And what makes a person feel they are "entitled" to have 6 kids?"
By who's authority are they to be prevented?
Words mean things, particularly in a text media.
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On 10/14/2011 11:39 AM, Leon wrote:

Well, that's a matter of people fitting in with your picture of social responsibility. That's a different question than whether they are entitled to choose the size of their families. And the answer is way to complex to reduce it to a simple head count.
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On 10/14/2011 4:01 PM, Just Wondering wrote:

No kidding, I did not say parents should be limited to how many kids they have nor was I agreeing with that statement.
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On 10/14/2011 10:01 AM, Bill wrote:

At least in the USA, you are entitled to exercise your constitutional rights. Decisions about procreation are a fundamental constitutional right.
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Just Wondering wrote:

Or an accident.
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On 10/14/2011 3:28 PM, Bill wrote:

1. Decisions are not accidents. 2. A decision to engage in coitus carries with it an attendant risk of procreation. You make the decision knowing that procreation is possible.
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You think that octomom exercised her constitutional rights?
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What "right" did she exercise that you believe she didn't have? Also, please point to the passage in the Constitution that justifies your argument.
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So in your opinion she exercised her constitutional rights to pay a physician who should get his license revoked (my opinion) to implant way too many embryos. I don't think the constitution enumerates the rights to become pregnant, so that is a moot point. In my opinion she didn't have the right to precreate on an industrial scale and let society take care of the consequences.
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Sue the damned doctor to recoup the funds wrought on society by his damnfool actions. And get octobeeyatch a shrink.
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"Han" wrote:

--------------------------- The State Medical board has revoked the doctor's eight to practice as a result of his actions.
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Absolutely she had that Constitutional right. If you disagree, please point to the passage that show otherwise. His license was revoked, AFAIK.

Of course it doesn't. The Constitution is a limitation on GOVERNMENT'S power, not on human rights. Humans have inalienable rights. They're *not* enumerated, ANYWHERE.

You say she didn't have the "right". Just where is that right limited? How is it limited? Would 7 embryos be within this "right"? How about six? Where is this limit? Because *you* think it's "wrong:, doesn't mean she doesn't have the "right" to be stupid.
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I said in my opinion she doesn't have the right because she is unable to care for the children. It is not a responsible thing to do. That's all. Moreover, it isn't fair to the children, because there is no way she could provide the proper gestational environment. End of story.
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