Rest iN peace, Mr. Jobs

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A giant. Age 56. We'll miss him.
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Absolutely - Fought the disease, and remained innovative and productive until the end.
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I worked for a semi house that would from time to time supply parts. Depended on the product. We supported (boss and I) 100% during the day or after hours his engineering staff. One thing that Jobs as an engineer taught his people through the years - if you don't know or can't figure it - get help no harm - harm if you don't get help when needed. This concept was to keep the customer (you and I ) and their products as most important element of the company. What a guy.
IBM was reverse. IBM would rat on each other so the less ratted one would be promoted. Calls from them were rare. I've made arrangements after 10PM to talk to an engineer. They would be alone in the place and no bad guys in the next cube.
We are starting to loose winners out of silicon Valley. Movie stars for some time.
Martin
On 10/5/2011 6:58 PM, RonB wrote:

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A brilliant innovator and marketer. Changed the way we work with computers.
However, Apples have stolen family-wage jobs here to be made in foreign factories that cruelly exploit their employees and ruin the environment, with the expectation that the poor folks here will still forever buy the Apples with their last dimes, all to enrich some shareholders who apparently believe these bad practices will never affect them.
I'm pretty conflicted about Mr. Jobs.
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On 10/11/2011 9:39 PM, scritch wrote:

See if you can find a copy of "The Pirates of Silicone Valley" on DVD.
Jobs was a jerk.
But compared to Bill Gates he's a Knight in Shining Armor.
I interviewed with Jobs as a programmer - LONG long ago. I'm forever thankful that I wasn't all that interesting to him.
I did pretty good as a PC Assembly programmer.
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"scritch" wrote:

----------------------------------- During the last half of the 19th century (1870-1900) and the first half of the 20th century (1901-1950), the industrial revolution eliminated thousands of jobs on the farms, driving people to the cities looking for low paying jobs.
This led to the formation of the labor movement and a better way of life.
Continued development of automation has continued to reduce the need for manual labor performed by the uneducated with the exception of harvesting fruits and vegetables.
Jobs and Apple are simply driving the process of needing a better educated society on a world wide basis.
Look at today's job market.
There are lots of jobs available in high-tech industries, but a lack of trained applicants to fill those jobs.
It's a major problem our society faces.
Lew
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I own no Apple products. As for Jobs and jobs, I'd guess he is no better or worse than any other computer/electronics maker. What portable phone is made in the US or Canada? Try to find a toaster not made in China. Yet we buy because it is such a good value. Is it?
The Pogo rule seems to apply inmost cases. "we have met the enemy and it is us:
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Pretty soon the US$ will have devalued sufficiently so that manufacturing here will become profitable again (it is already for cars and some other things). Now whether this new-found wealth will flow to workers or investors/rich people will be the next question ...
IMNSHO, we will grow the economy more if we let the less affluent buy more ...
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What's your best guess, Han? Why should things change regarding wealth?

GOOD punchline. <g> (On the off chance that you're serious, what's your logic there? How do the poor buy more?)
-- Every day I remind myself that my inner and outer life are based on the labors of other men, living and dead, and that I must exert myself in order to give in the same measure as I have received and am still receiving. -- Albert Einstein
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Simple... build cheaper shit? Maybe let them keep more of their income?
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Seems to me that if the US can produce more cheaply, the US will do more of the earning, less of the buying from other countries. Sort of the reveerse of the flight of manufacturing and services to East Asia? Or isn't it that simple?

Getting more spending power into the hands of the less affluent will lead to more purchasing of manufactured goods (my opinion).
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On 10/12/2011 11:16 AM, Han wrote:

That works ... as long as you don't do it with credit (cards) that further enslaves them by legal usury!
Mea culpa ... but that process chaps my rosy red.
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I'm lucky, and, perhaps, not dumb, in that I always pay off all CCs each month.
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On 10/12/2011 2:05 PM, Han wrote:

As do I, actually my credit cards, as do probably yours do, actually pay me to use them. And that works for every one providing they pay them off every month.
I believe this country would be a lot better off if our kids were required to take and pass simple finance classes before graduating. Or you must pass a basic understanding of finance charges and their real impact before qualifying for a credit card, controlled by a 3rd party.
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On 10/13/2011 7:10 AM, Leon wrote:

What you guys do, besides paying off your own credit card debt every month, is grossly overestimate the intelligence of the progressive fostered middle class who has most of the credit card debt in this country.
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Amen. Have had to rescue a few people from their mistakes in this regard, including myself. I hadn't read all of the fine print of the "free" loan by a Citibank CC. Free, if you paid it off within a certain period. They forgot to tell me (or I didn't comprehend the language) that payments first went to any unpaid balance, before the statement reflected that balance. Ended with interest charged on the first statement after that. Luckily I could tell them that I paid off the total "loan" that instant and to go shove the whole shebang.
It helps to have reserve funds, but I fully understand that not everyone has them, or can maintain them. I just heard I'll have to spend a few to trim a tree that is dropping rotting branches. Darn DPW oaks ... I guess that happens with 80 year-old trees ...
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On 10/13/2011 7:19 AM, Swingman wrote:

Precicely and why I believe it should be taught in schools what the real cost of financing is.
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On 10/13/2011 8:01 AM, Leon wrote:

But, but, Leon, How? ... the "schools" demonstrably can't even teach 5th grade math to 12th graders!
Besides, its teachers who are in debt, not the students. You wanna start at the root of the problem!
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On 10/13/2011 8:15 AM, Swingman wrote:

LOL I know but you have to start somewhere and with out improving our knowledge and education system we will continue to swirl down the drain.
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It's called "consumer's education" and required at least as part of the IL high school curriculum. They covered the busywork of balancing checkbooks (the pivot should be near the middle) and filling out tax forms (using a cheap bic ballpoint because a good one was the wrong shade of blue (purple)), and something was said about credit cards (I don't remember).
Parents will have the biggest impact on their kid's spending habits, not schools.
Granted some teachers will have an impact. Especially those who are cynical and point out the only way to win is to play very carefully.
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