"Rich Grise" wrote: (clip)The 580 tongs I'm guessing are for hot sheet
The same thought passed through my mind. The style and construction of
those tongs says "blacksmith." The width says "sheet metal." A piece of
sheet metal the width of those tongs would be too stiff to bend cold, so we
come to hot sheet metal. But nothing in a blacksmith shop would heat a
piece of sheet metal that wide uniformly, so there must be more to the
Google is the best browser on the net. And screw the politics. If you
want to be able to find stuff fast and rather completely Google is the
software to use. Their preeminence in the browser market is no accident.
) Wrong, google Groups -is- a browser. I am using it right now to post
) this message. But I much prefer Agent as it has spell check and kill
) files capability.
And because it doesn't encourage people to reply to articles without
quoting relevant context, thus making it difficult to follow.
Disclaimer: I am in no way responsible for any of the statements
made in the above text. For all I know I might be
I'm having "AOL is the Internet" flashbacks ;-)
Let's see if we can't clear this up...
First, let's back up a little. It's important to think of the Internet
as not one, but several things, the most common of which are...
* World Wide Web... the various millions of web sites out there.
* eMail... self explanatory
* USENET... thousands of discussion groups.
* IRC... Internet Relay Chat (old school instant messenger)
* FTP... File Transfer Protocol
There are others, but those have been the big ones in the last decade
or so. (The "World Wide Web" [or WWW or just web] is only one
component of the internet.)
USENET has been around LONG before Google. People used various
software (commonly known as newsreaders) to access USENET newsgroups.
(I'd say most people still do. I use Xnews myself. Forte Agent and MS
Outlook are also common.)
As the WWW grew in popularity, some folks decided it would be a groovy
idea to be able to access USENET with an ordinary web browser (such as
Internet Explorer, Netscape, Firefox, etc.) Think of it as accessing a
radio station with an ordinary telephone. This is what Google has
done. They are not the first and they are not the only. Their web
interface to USENET is part of what we know as "Google Groups".
Somewhere along the line, someone else thought it would also be a
groovy idea to gather up all those past USENET discussions, along with
all the new ones that are being generated every day, and put them in a
big fat searchable database. And then make that database accessible
with a web browser. Several years ago there was a website called
DejaNews that did just that. I don't know how they did it or if they
were the first, but they did it and it was cool.
As with many things on the web, after a few years it fizzled. They
probably ran out of money and they went offline.
Fast forward to a couple years ago, and Google announces that they've
bought the USENET archive that belonged to DejaNews and soon they will
be using their wonderous search technology on all those old
discussions and make them accessible from groups.google.com.
Google Groups is now TWO things... a web interface to USENET and an
agreggator/search tool of USENET discussions.
If you think about it, Google has positioned itself into an
interesting position. Millions of people think Google Groups and
USENET are one in the same... right out of the AOL or MS playbook.
Oh, and one more thing... Google is not a browser. A browser, or more
precisely a "web browser" is the software that you use to access
various web sites (including Google Groups) on the WWW. The most
common web browser these days is Internet Explorer, with Firefox
running a distant second.
And that's all I have to say about that.
Actually DejaNews didn't attempt to gather Usenet postings from before
they existed; they just retained everything posted during their existence.
At first they made the whole lot available, then they cut back the free
service to just the most recent 6-12 months.
I still miss their "one line per article" search result format.
And then after *that*, they incorporated old articles from several
*other* archives -- ones that had never been publicly available --
thus providing content (although with some gaps in coverage) from as
far back as 1981, just 2 years after the start of Usenet.
Mark Brader, Toronto | "It is one thing to praise discipline, and another
email@example.com | to submit to it." -- Miguel de Cervantes, 1613
Huh? Internet Explorer is a browser. Netscape is a browser. Konqueror is
a browser. Google is a _server_, not a _browser_.
Agent is also not a browser, it is a "newsreader", which is slightly
different from the portal access called "Google Groups" provided via the
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