That's not relevant to the *process* of creating a new newsgroup in the
"big 8" hierarchy (which includes rec.*)
It doesn't matter if anyone who frequents this newsgroup supports the
proposed new group or not.
The proponent may call the vote any time after the minimum 21-day
discussion period. If there are technical problems with the proposal, one
or more RFDs might be submitted by the proponent before he/she requests the
CFV (Call For Votes). However, this is entirely up to the proponent. If the
proponent answers most of the questions in the RFD, he/she is not required
to change anything. It does increase the chance of passing the group if at
least a second RFD is done, though it is not required. RFDs after the first
one have a minimum 10-day discussion period.
The voting period lasts 21 days. In order for a group to pass, two things
1. The "yes" votes must outnumber the "no" votes by at least 100.
2. There must be at least 2 "yes" votes for every "no" vote
Examples of passing voter outcomes:
Examples of failing voter outcomes:
NOT QUITE CORRECT -- the 'yes' votes must be at least 2/3 of the _total_
votes cast. Allowed votes are 'yes', 'no', and 'abstain'.
e.g.: 200 'yes' votes, 10 'no' votes, and 100 'abstain' votes,
and the proposal _fails_.
If the moderated 'wreck succeeds, the unmoderated version
remains, correct? If so, those of us who could care less about a
moderated version need not follow the goings on?
I'm trying to properly understand this.
*sigh* Procedures have _changed_ since I was last involved in a newgroup
proposal. Bill had it right. I'm wrong. Current rule _is_ 2 yes votes
for every no vote. 'abstain' votes do _not_ figure into it. The *only*
current use for an 'abstain' vote is to 'cancel out' your prior 'yes' or 'no',
when you do _not_ want to cast the vote for the 'other side' of the proposition.
There is currently utterly _no_ point in casting an -initial- 'abstain'
The only use for 'abstain' is if you change your mind _during_ the voting
period -- from a vote on either side of the issue to 'no opinion'/'un-decided'.
firstname.lastname@example.org (Robert Bonomi) wrote in
To cancel out a prior vote, you submit another vote and choose CANCEL. The
four possible choices are YES, NO, ABSTAIN, and CANCEL. If you cancel a
vote, your name and e-mail address will be deleted from the record..as if
you never voted in the first place. If you change your vote to ABSTAIN,
your name and e-mail address will appear in the results.
The abstain vote is generally reserved for those who participated in the
RFD, but do not plan to use the group if created, or do not have a
technical objection to the creation of the group.
I understand that. There are hundreds of newsgroups out there with similar
sounding names but no posters. They sit empty, devoid of any content other than
that of spammers who shotgun the system.
I doubt the new one is going to be successful. Generally speaking, there would
have to be a need for the change, and nobody here has seen one. Is there a
group of folks out there so horrified by our present group that they refuse to
participate with us and would only go to a moderated newsgroup?
That is of concern to those who administer the newsgroups. To that
end, it does matter if anyone supports the proposed newsgroup to the
extent that the administrators won't create it if it appears likely
to become another empty group.
On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 00:30:00 GMT, "Mortimer Schnerd, RN"
Who _cares_? If some people don't like the Wreck and want a
different group, let them create it. Why is everyone so against
this new group, anyway? If they don't like it, they won't even
freakin' BE there. It's not like it would be taking anything
away from the Wreck, and anyone could visit both forums if they
chose to do so. What's the problem?
Whadda buncha maroons.
Have you read the new book "What Would Machiavelli Do?"
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