RE: T/S Inertia

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I measured the distance from the fence to the blade for OK cuts when I had a Craftsman TS and stock fence but stoped doing that when I added a Jet Exacta fence. My new, 11 years ago, cabinet saw has the larger version of that fence. I use premium quality blades and have them checked for flat every time I have them resharpened.
A problem that can occour with any method of measuring is that if a blade becomes "non-flat" measuring fromt the fence tot a tooth on the blade will yield inconsistant results. This will throw off the accuracy of the built in system on the Biese fence also. While the fence may be accurate at a given point a slightly warped blade that throw all of that out the window. Measuring from the blade to the fence will not improve that situation.
Think kerf blades seem to exagerate the problem as they are less likely to stay flat.
I on occasion I will make a rip cut, measure the result, and verify the cursor setting on the fence.

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"Puckdropper" <puckdropper(at)yahoo(dot)com> wrote

If it is moving around that easy, there is something wrong. Fix it, and you will be rewarded with accurate cuts, in half the time.
Really, if there is a problem with the fence, it can be fixed, even if you have to re-engineer the way it is attached.
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On 8/10/2010 10:09 AM, Morgans wrote:

If it's that untrustworthy something's wrong. The factory fence on my 500 buck Ridgid is accurate and repeatable to the limit of my ability to read the markings. Took me a while to learn to trust it though.
If the saw gets moved around on the back of a truck, the way contractor saws are expected to be used, then the fence should be adjusted every time the saw is set up at a new job site, which should take under a minute. Things carried on a truck do get knocked.
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If the "heavy casting" only connects at the front and doesn't continue to the back, there is room for error. Beisemeyer is one piece so there is nothing to get whacked out, other then the pair adjustment set screws. They're easily adjusted and really don't take much abuse anyway.

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On 8/9/2010 10:53 PM, snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

You're speaking about that which you know not. My Unisaw has a Unifence and it doesn't get any more "whacked out" than a Biesemeyer. And yes, I've used a Biesemeyer (which you misspelled, btw) many times; my father and my buddy both have one.
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On Mon, 09 Aug 2010 23:06:41 -0500, Steve Turner

That's why I'm asking, dummy.

That's not what I've been told before and primarily why I went with the *B*I*E*S*E*M*E*Y*E*R* instead of the *U*N*I*F*E*N*C*E*.

Sorry, my speelczecher doesn't do trademarks. Geez, what a maroon!
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On 08/09/2010 11:26 PM, snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

From what I can see, you were _telling_ us, not asking, about the stability of the Unifence, and without any real first-hand knowledge. That makes _me_ the dummy?

Well it certainly depends on the application as to what fence is a better choice. If I'm running a production cabinet shop with husky galoots slamming sheet goods through the machine all day long, then I'm not gonna give 'em a Unifence; it's designed for finesse and accuracy, not abuse. I'm not gonna take my Ford F350 Power Stroke Diesel on a leisurely trip through the Texas Hill Country, and I'm not gonna take my Porsche to lumber yard to pick up roofing material.

And I'm sorry you got your boxers in a bunch.
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If you're convinced that a Biesemeyer fence is superior to a Unifence then you should stick with a Biesemeyer. It doesn't appear that any amount of anecdotal evidence is going to persuade you against confirmational bias. In all likelihood the performance of either fence is so close that, in the end, it comes down to personal preference.
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Were I convinced that one were superior I wouldn't have asked the question. Speaking of bunched panties!
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If I weren't of the opinion that you seemed biased that one *was* superior to the other one I wouldn't have made my comment.
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Look. When I bought my Unisaur I researched both systems, including querying this group. Not having used a Unifence or ever having had access to same, my OPINIONS are based on this research. So, yes, having done homework and having _made_ the choice, I was obviously convinced that the Biesemeyer was the better fence. If others have different OPINIONS, I'm certainly interested in discussing the fine points (and would love to try the Unifence) but I highly doubt I'll ever change fences. I think even I can find a better use for the money. ;-)
Now, is it time to unwedge? Did I spell "Biesemeyer" right?
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I have used the Uni and The Bies for decades, both at the same shop. I have screwed around with many fences at other shops, always asking why those guys liked what they liked. So my personal preference? Both the Uni and the Bies are toys. Good toys, but toys. The SCM and Altendorf guys have it down: Great big tube or channel and a humongous casting with a T configuration, no clamping at the back, ever.
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It's a good feeling when one's suspicions are confirmed. <snerk> All kidding aside, I think each fence has it's adherents and there's not enough difference to quibble about.
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preference? Well, my Vega has never let me down. :)
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Wow, how many heads did that (Vega) comment just wizz over? :-))
It is only the people that had one or knew someone that had one that really, really understand.
But, if you were good on oil changes and never ever let it overheat, it wasn't as bad as everyone thinks. Problem is, how many people keep up with both of the two conditions I stated? Not many, huh?
How about a Luv pickup? Believe it or not, there is one that lives around here as an every day driver. Not too bad, for that fellow, I guess!
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On 8/10/2010 8:54 PM, Morgans wrote:

It obviously whizzed over _one_ head. <http://www.vegawoodworking.com/

That's some table saw fence that needs oil changes and is in danger of overheating.

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Chevrolet Vega.
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Lobby Dosser wrote:

Understood, but I think the OP is talking about the Vega tablesaw fence:
http://www.vegawoodworking.com/table%20saw%20fences.html
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Wow, here I stand all red-faced and stuff! I have to admit that I go for the main stream stuff, and not the fine woodworker high line stuff. It is an unfortunate condition of buying for a high school in a poor rural area of NC with _very_ limited funds to spend on equipment and supplies. I had not heard of that company and therefore though that you were making a funny!

Now, you're making a funny, right? I guess I need to ask and find out for sure, from now on! ;-)
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Would that be a red Facel Vega?

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