Airbags and seatbelts protect you from other people's carelessness over
which you have no control. Tablesaw safety is not affected by outside
factors unless you have someone come into your shop and randomly turn
the saw on and off.
Ah ha! I knew there was a reason I agreed with all of you! :)
Seriously - missed that cogent point of the thread.
Ok - so if the Feds mandate SawStop then they should force SS to license the
technology for a pittance.
Then we let competition back into the mix. We should end up with better and
cheaper SawStop clones.
It doesn't, other than the issue of patent-protected exclusivity.
I don't know about David, but it surpassed "enough" with the very first
law protecting people from themselves. On a national (U.S.) level,
that was probably the first regulations of narcotics in the 1930s (?).
Saw stop is petitioning to have their device legislated as mandatory
equipment on all table saws sold in the US. When the device first came out I
was behind them 100% but I have no tolerance for this type of "marketing"
and as such have removed my support from them. If you want more info, the
actual petition is on Sawstop's own web site and you can draw their own
I like the part in the petition where they state that the average
consumer does not have enough information to make an informed choice,
but the CPSC does have enough information. If they truly believed
that, they could publish the information to the general public to help
educate them, and then see if their product is purchased. This could
be accomplished by including an information pamphlet with each saw
instead of the complete system already installed.
It sounds like they just do not believe in the marketability of their
own product enough to use fair market practices.
... the mark of the true statist, the opinion that the "general public"
is just too @#$% stupid and ignorant to know what is good for it.
but the government (i.e. the state) is an all-knowing, all-wise, and
beneficient entity that needs to coddle and mother the poor doddering
fools under its care to keep them from hurting themselves or others.
Pretty sickening attitude IMNSHO.
Having failed to win the market, they now turn to using the iron fist
of government to accomplish their ends.
Side note. Sawstop used to be one of the vendors that frequented and was
welcomed to this forum. That stopped when they started to hear what they
didn't want to hear...that the WW community was turning against them because
of the way they're choosing to goto market... Guess they weren't "real"
woodworkers after all..
Do not forget that the new cartridges are $69 each. I don't know what
hitting that aluminum block does to your sawblade.
If you do some math it hardly sounds effective for a lot of the situations
you would want it to protect against. They claim that it will cut 1/8" if
you are moving at 1 foot per second. So move at 4 ft per second and you get
a 1/2 inch cut - OUCH!. When a hand slips I usually find it is moving far
faster than 1 foot per second. I can easily imagine it moving ten times that
Oh, and Leon, even with an 1/8 cut you might still require a trip to the
emergency room, you might be spared some of the rehabilitation though.
Yeah, if the blade is moving at 4000rpm and the reaction time is 5
milliseconds, all those sharp little teeth make a full revolution+. It's a
lot easier, cheaper and less painful to be careful. :-)
A lot of unknows come into play here. I agree that falling from the 29th
floor or the 32nd floor is not going to make a huge difference in the
outcome, but 12 teeth versus a full speed blade may be the difference of a
slicing afinger or lopping off a whole hand.
I've not studies table saw accidents so I don't know the probability of the
various injuries and what may be prevented. Do you?
I think the resultand safety can be measured; studies would have to be (or
already have) to be done. What exactly do you mean by complexity that can
decrease safety? From what I've seen, the complexity is hidden and is not
obstructive to the operator. What have you seen different?
Unless they're using a clamping/braking system, that 1/3 of a rotation
*will* be at full speed. Any type of pin or tooth-catching pawl will
stop the blade instantly from the moment it's inserted into the
appropriate hole. A brake will slow the blade with decreasing
I understand the SawStop system causes an instant stop, but there is
naturally some delay between trigger and stop. Between those two,
there's 1/3 of a blade rotation at full speed.
No I don't. Neither do the folks at SawStop. Maybe God does, but the
rest of us don't have the gift of omiscience. No one can predict the
many variables that might be in play when a blade contacts skin.
Ever been to a speed shop, a hot rod/motorcycle show or a dragstrip? What
people do to machinery on their own is largely outside the law. It would
make some interesting test cases, though.
sure. next time you're there, ask them what the penalty is for disabling an
airbag (without proper authorization), venting freon, or removing a
catalytic converter and putting in a straight pipe. granted, one has to be
caught, but don't you think there'll be ts police?
They must be. If they were liberal leaning Democrats they would be trying to
push through a tax bill to make everyone pay for the SawStop, even if they didn't
own a tablesaw.
Buffalo, NY - USA
Yeah, but as it is, they'll force them on everyone, and the Republicans will
borrow enough money to give to the rich to make sure they can afford at least
If you want to know what God thinks of money, just look at the people he gave
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