You're right about that. I don't have a very good opinion of humanity in
general. Despite thousands of years of culture and development, at the drop
of a hat, man will turn into greedy, self indulgent animals without a shred
of consideration for their fellows. *That's* what I consider average. So no,
don't expect me to support arming people based on personal choice.
...so it colors whatever you say with bias. I figured loooong ago
that there were a helluva lotta really smart people on this planet of
ours...what produced that epiphany isn't germane here, the fact that I
*got* that concept most assuredly is.
...but that isn't the point. The point is *defense* against those who
have an illegal means of arming themselves against *you* and *I*...and
it doesn't really matter where on this continent, eh?! (...couldn't
resist, LOL). Whatever you think of your fellow man, rest assured
plenty of *bad* folks out there relish the though of an unarmed and
vulnerable *you!* And, no, they might not be as smart as you, either.
Then you could say that about everybody. Anybody with a personality has
their own sense of self-worth which they project to others and could be
I don't know how old you are Charlie, but maybe you can relate. I'm 54. When
I went to school, just like any other school of any time and place, there
were bullies, people to be afraid of. You dealt with that as you were able.
But, nowhere in my experience in all the schools I attended were there
students that felt the need to be armed. I'm talking about knives. These
days, kids are carrying knives (and sometimes guns) into school, when they
go shopping, wherever. ~ All with the thought that they need to be armed for
protection. Guns are a simple extension of that thinking. Going about your
life day to day while living in an atmosphere of fear is a terrible way to
Thinking smart and being careful is advisable anywhere. The need to carry
armament tells me there's something intrinsically wrong with society. That's
how I feel. Obviously, many disagree with me. It's their right to think that
way, but for Christ's sake, give me the same right.
OK...I have 6 decades down and hopefully a couple or three to
go...grew up in wonderful Orange County, CA...Dismaland, you know, the
Tragic Kingdom. Pretty idyllic growing up...not so now, but livable,
yanno? I do my craft, do alot of photography, teach high schoolers
how to march (marching band) and on the side contract for a living.
Got a little education...went to war in lovely SE Asia and got to fly
helo-co-peters (shot more rounds in a minute than most people would
shoot in a lifetime...this is also where I had that epiphany I
mentioned earlier, yup.) and didn't own a handgun until 3 years
ago...'cause it helps me feel like I can protect myself and my
There *is* something wrong with society, man, and *my* opinion is that
whatever it is, it ain't gonna run me down. There are a LOT of folks
like me, by FAR the huge majority who will never have to pull a
trigger at anything other than a man target or a tin can. Sure there
are those exceptions who "go postal and all," but I submit to you the
unrealized/underreported statistics of "protection" or "deterence" by
far outweigh those anomolies.
BTW...you have points, surely...however,it's a grave usenet protocol
error to snip-out pieces of preceding posts (it's OK if so noted by
<snip> even though frowned upon). That practice could and does
produce missunderstandings for those reading a thread for the first
time...not to mention those who've written those (may be) relevant (to
them) words. Dig? You're a smart fellow...
Ok, then I have no choice except to acquiesce to your opinion/experience.
And, I'll admit that even though I like to think I'm cognizant of what's
going on through my friends and connections, I could well be truly unaware
of what's really happening. You just can't ever know for sure can you?
Yup, that's one of the serious downfalls of this means of communication.
Talking in text will never approach all the inflections and idiosyncrasies
we experience when talking to someone in person.
...heh, OK then. Take your last sentence, though...it sounds like
you're responding/commenting (agreeing?) to what I've written about
usenet protocol, and our faulty system of communication here, yet you
truncate my words? Hopefully it's an old dog/new trick thing!
I have respect for your opinion...after all, different circumstances
produce different people.
cg (and pax to you, too)
These days, you would be lucky to have access to the shooting range on
Ah yes, the clash between perception and reality.
Since I have a few years on you, BTDT (keep the T-Shirt), I'll offer
The brain still thinks you are an 18 year old stud.
OTOH, the body tells a different story.
The reflexes are not totally shot, but you have lost a couple of
Faced with a confrontational situation with some dumb 20 year old
hoodlum, you would be lucky if he didn't take your pea shooter away
from you and put it where the moon doesn't shine before you knew what
Father time is not kind.
As my mother often said, "...time brings changes we must learn to
...need a little more here...is not my perception reality? I know we
have different takes and all...
...I would counter with the thought that it's not "reality" to try to
...just got through dealing with 300 others of my age group trying to
relive a very physical and wonderful part of our lives...believe me
when I say I know of what you speak...
...true, but I stay strong (carpenter by trade and still do things
that require strength) and agile...last marathon was 2 years ago and
still under 5 hours (actually under 4, but I missed a turn! LOL)...
I don't think I would be lucky, my friend...I think I would be
prepared. That said, I'm not out looking for confrontation, but if it
comes to my doorstep it'd better be ready to learn how to fly... the
Attitude has a lot to do with self-preservation, would you agree to
... I would counter with the thought that it's not "reality" to try
Experience, other than as a point of reference, has nothing to do with
Which should prove the point you have lost a couple of steps over the
Congratulations, but strength is not the issue, it is reaction time.
What makes you think you would recognize a problem before it was too
Chances are it won't be a direct assault.
Look at the poor 75 year old woman in Orange County this week.
Tied up in the trunk of her car for 2 days.
Strictly a sneak attack.
Not necessarily. Almost without exception, lefty ideologues think they
are above the huddled masses (the rest of us) and feel no particular
compunction in granting themselves permission to do and own things
they feel others should be forbidden from doing/having. It is entirely
possible our dear Upscale wants for himself that which he wishes to
deny others. The examples of such behaviors on the left are numerous
(and nauseating). Among them, we find Our Savior Of The Earth, Al
Gore, flying around in private jets. Our Savior Of The Downtrodden,
Michael Moore, living the life of a wealthy millionaire. And, of
course, Our Savior Of Everything, Comrade St. Obama, denying the
average citizen (or trying to) the same protections afforded by
firearms that he personally possesses (and we all pay for). They're
not really liars - they're arrogant hypocrites...
Tim Daneliuk firstname.lastname@example.org
PGP Key: http://www.tundraware.com/PGP /
Maybe for your country. I'm Canadian. For our country, it's perfectly normal
for the vast majority of Canadians never to have even held a gun before.
That's something you'll never be able to understand ~ just the same as I
might never be able to completely understand the American need to be armed.
Your opinion. I guess that makes you fallible just like everybody else.
Here's another name for you. You're a coward. I've given you the opportunity
to prove me a liar as you called me (would that be what you call descending
to personal insults Doug?) and I guess you're backing down on it because
you're apparently not man enough to take me up on my challenge.
You can't take the chance I was telling the truth because apparently you're
too immature to deal with the possibility of admitting you were wrong. Hey,
no surprise there at all. You need your gun to prop up what little manhood
you might have.
(If anybody finds me dead, you might consider that Doug grew some balls and
showed up at my front door).
Are we having fun yet? :)
Sure, you fly him up to Toronto. While ideologically, Tim is an <expletive>,
you're nothing more than a cut rate flim-flam artist. You suggesting Tim
while thinking that I'd turn him down shows that you have no intention
whatsoever to take me up on my challenge. A simple picture with me and Tim
is all it would take to validate the truth. Hell, I might even get along
with the guy if I met him in person.
Your problem is you think you're being clever while failing miserably at it.
You need to grow up and be a man. As it is, all you've done is demonstrate
that mentally, you've yet to experience puberty.
Obviously, you don't have anything tangible to offer, so this thread is
finished as far as I'm concerned until if or when you come back with
Go ahead, you can have the final response.
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