RE: O/T: Dodged A Bullet

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Although that's an important reason for distrusting the cloud, IMHO there's an even more important one: security. I certainly wouldn't store tax returns or banking records on the cloud.

Or, worse, make it accessible to someone else...
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 00:45:38 -0500, clare wrote:

You took the words right out of my mouth :-).
I regularly remove drives from my old computers before I junk them. It's surprising how many people sell fairly new computers cheap. They take out the drives to protect their data and assume nobody wants a computer with no drives. I bought my last one for $10 and stuffed two of my old drives in it.
But the industry has reached the point where IDE drives no longer work. SO I'll have to junk my collection and start anew.
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On 12/29/2014 11:06 AM, Larry Blanchard wrote:

There are a couple of boxes here in my home office, way back in a closet, that must contain 30+ hard drives from the past 25 years.
I have never disposed of a computer/server without keeping the hard drive(s).
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote in message
SFWIW, the drive that just died was placed in service in 05/08 and died 12/14, or 6-1/2 years .
Lew, the solid-state stuff in a computer will usually last many years without trouble, but the electro-mechanical parts have shorter life cycles. There's a reason that hard drive manufacturers offer only one-year to three-year warranties except for the most expensive enterprise-level drives. I generally keep my computers on a three- to five-year replacement cycle (three for my work computers, five for a household computer). If a household computer is running quite trouble-free but getting old, I'll generally just replace the hard drive after five years as a matter of course. Power supplies I run until I either (1) start having trouble with them or (2) need more power on account of a power-hungry replacement video card. Fans get noisy when they get old but they're cheap and easy to replace.
And I maintain a rigorous automated backup schedule. My backup system is a two-drive RAID 1 system on my network (RAID 1: two physical drives, with the same contents on each in case one of them fails), and daily backups of all document directories are done every night, keeping up to two weeks of daily backups. Periodically I archive one each of those daily backups onto a large external hard drive and keep them up to a year. When I had an office downtown I kept off-site office backups at home, and off-site home backups at the office. Now that I'm working from my home office I just keep the off-site backups in a different building on the property. This all sounds like a lot of work, but once it was all set up I don't even have to think about it - it just happens, except for the occasional archival and off-site copies. I'm a professional software developer, so this is important for me and worth the trouble. Even if I weren't, we now have large libraries of digital photographs online, going back many years, and it would be terrible to somehow lose all that history.
For a friend whose computer I maintain, I just put a large-capacity USB drive in a slot on the back of the machine and set up a daily backup of his personal file directories to the USB drive. He doesn't even know it's happening, but if I need to wipe and re-setup his machine because of malware or something like that, I've magically got all his files sitting right there to be restored.
You could do the same. Use Windows Backup and either attach an external USB-connected hard drive or plug in a big USB memory card. Don't put yourself in a position where you might have to (might fail to) dodge another bullet like that someday at much greater cost to yourself. I've personally had hard drives fail so that not only would they not boot but they were not even readable. If I hadn't been maintaining backups I'd have been thoroughly hosed.
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On 12/29/2014 10:39 AM, tdacon wrote:

...and most important, run through a restore cycle now and then to make sure backed up something useful.
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:19:14 -0700, Doug Winterburn

There are only 2 kinds of computer users. Those who have lost data, and those who will.
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On 12/29/2014 6:39 PM, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

I would hope so, who has not deleted a file? ;~)
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On 12/29/2014 06:12 PM, Leon wrote:

I have several times unintentionally deleted a file. Fortunately, I have always been able to recover it from a backup.
I use backuppc: http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/
Runs automatically every night on a linux server running RAID1 on two 2TB drives.
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On 12/29/2014 7:21 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:

I just go to the windows waste basket if I actually want it back.
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On 12/29/2014 09:30 PM, Leon wrote:

Never empty the waste basket?
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Doug Winterburn wrote:

I run CCleaner almost once a day (love it)--download it from Sourceforge (to avoid bloatware, etc.)

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On 12/29/2014 11:28 PM, Bill wrote:

You can tell CCleaner to not touch the waste basket.
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On 12/29/2014 11:02 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:

Not before I recover the file. ;~) If I don't recover the file immediately after I delete there is a good chance I meant to delete it.
I don't know about you but if I unintentionally delete a file I don't wait to recover it. I'm not sure that I have ever deleted a file without knowing it. I certainly have deleted the wrong one but I immediately recover it.
That is just the way I do that, not necessarily the best for every body.
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On Mon, 29 Dec 2014 19:39:18 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

The second group is the universe of computer users. Some (most) have. All, including those who already have, will.
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I've recovered many a deleted file with nothing beyond the built-in windows undelete function. When I say lose, I mean seriously loose, through no action of your own.
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On 12/29/2014 9:05 PM, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

Of course. ;~)
When I say lose, I mean seriously loose,

Seriousely, I don't loose files unless it is directly related to my own carelessness. If I forget where I put the file, delete the file, or loose it due to a crash, I consider that my fault.
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Leon wrote:

I have seen applications (MS Visual Studio comes to mind) eat files before, as in "its gone".
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On 12/29/2014 11:31 PM, Bill wrote:

I can't say that I have ever lost a file unless I was not paying attention to the assumed directory that the program wanted to save it in.
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And what do you call it when your hard drive crashes -- or loses a few sectors. Not as common as it used to be, but it still happens. Or when the hard drive totally gives up the ghost.
That is "seriously losing" a file "through no action of your own" Sometimes the data recovery boys can get it back for a (fairly hefty) price. Sometimes they are gone forever.
I recommend "belt and suspenders" for anything important. RAID 5 or better drive array, backed up to Network Attached Storage, backed up to removeable hard drive kept off site. For NAS we've been using Q-Nap raid boxes. At the one office the entire server is also mirrored to a second identical server in the opposite end of the building. The other office has the second server in the same server rack. Both servers have redundant power supplies, powered from 2 separate dual conversion UPS units, on separate circuits, each on different phases so even if one transformer dies we still have power to both servers. The one office has been using WD Live drives for removeable drives, the other office has been using USB SSDs.
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On 12/29/2014 11:36 PM, snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote:

I call that my own fault for not taking precautions to have a back up of those data files.

That is seriously losing a file through inaction of your own. ;!)
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