RE: O/T: Damn Cigarettes

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So you're saying that it's a complete waste of time to tax tobacco and spend money on warnings and health education? I can't support that suggestion at all.
The vast majority of smokers would quit immediately if it was easy. No more bad taste in their mouths. No more sore throats, no more nicotine stained fingers. No more watching their money go up in smoke. All of these things made me quit smoking thirtyfive years ago. Smokers and non-smokers alike know that it's an unhealthy, dirty habit. Education about smoking has had a huge effect the masses.
The pictures and the ads of smoking caused cancer and other associated diseases have had an effect on people. If it was otherwise, everybody would be smoking and they're not. So how do you explain this? How do you explain people quitting smoking and people hating their smoking addiction if not for the education and the ads?
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"Mike Marlow" wrote:

Frankly Mike, as far as education is concerned, everybody who is 25 or older is a write off.
You accept the fact these people are probably going to die of some form of lung disease regardless of what is done to get them to stop smoking and get on with life.
No the target market is the 10-18 year old group and there is where a real turf war is going on with the tobacco companies.
A war that education forces are SLOWLY gaining ground.
It's going to require a saturation advertising campaign to defeat the tobacco companies and I have no problem at all forcing the tobacco companies to pay for their own defeat.
As far as your rights to smoke when ever and where ever you chose, you have those rights as long as they don't foul the air I and other non smokers breathe.
When that happens, you no longer have the right to spew your tobacco smoke where ever you choose.
Speaking as an ex-smoker (25+ years), stopping smoking is probably the most difficult a human being will ever do, at least it was for me.
An ex-smoker who at one point or another in my life had a 2 pack a day or a box of cigars a week or a pound of pipe tobacco a week habit and all of which I inhaled, I can appreciate your addiction, but I don't tolerate it any more.
Today, I'm like stink on crap, when it comes to smoking.
I have no problem at all walking up to a complete stranger who is smoking and saying something like, "Aren't you're old enough to know better".
Very interesting the responses you get.
Lew
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On Thu, 6 Feb 2014 16:55:40 -0500, "Mike Marlow"

Everything you've said maybe right. I can only argue my own experiences with smoking. I started at sixteen and quit when I was twentyfive as a pack a day smoker.
And to be honest, it was easy for me to quit because of the reasons I mentioned previously. I realized how tired I was of the sore throat, the bad taste in my mouth and the nicotine on my fingers. It was as if I'd just flipped a switch in my mind and that was it. If I could market that switch I'd become filthy rich overnight.
People have said to me that I wasn't addicted if I was able to quit so easily. Maybe so, and now I've grown to hate the very act of smoking. I lost both my parents to smoking related diseases and people like me may be flailing uselessly against this smoking addiction that people have. But, whether my actions are effective or not, I'll keep trying because just accepting the status quo means complete capitulation. I refuse to accept that.
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On 2/6/2014 3:36 PM, snipped-for-privacy@none.com wrote:

Nope, that is not what he said. You did not respond to what was said at all, you responded to what your imagination provided as a justification for your position. :)
Read again what he said actually said ...
In a nutshell, and as a former smoker of 30 years with a 3 pack at day habit the last ten ending 23 years ago, when a person continues to smoke despite knowing the very likely consequences to their health, they are on their own, and should have to live with the consequences of their actions.
The warnings and health education efforts are all admirable, and have made a remarkable dent in the number of smokers in this country. I'm all for continuing those efforts. And I'm fine with a company, like CVS, deciding to do business as they see fit and putting their money where their mouth/conscience is.
They are exercising freedom of choice.
But I am totally opposed to treating those who ignore the irrefutable data as a "social cost"; and who ignore the well known consequences of smoking because of a pleasurable experience they refuse to overcome because of an innate personal weakness.
Tough shit, Kemasabe, you want to be a victim, that's fine with me, but you live with it, and leave me and mine out of it.
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On 2/6/2014 6:58 PM, Swingman wrote:

Rhetorical, for arguments sake "you", Dave, not you personally.
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I'd be ok with that sentiment if that's where it ended, but it doesn't. As a society, we all pay for people who can't or won't change. We all benefit greatly being part of a society, but there's decided disadvantages too. You and yours are part of it whether you like it or not.
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On 2/6/2014 7:50 PM, snipped-for-privacy@none.com wrote:

You bet I'm an active participant in society, by serving when called upon to do so, and paying my way throughout. It is those who are purposely a parasite feeding on the body of society, and who have done neither, who deserve no support from those who are.
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Swingman wrote:

Here's a thought that has occurred to me before. Don't people who take "unnecessary chances"--say like people who run lathes, increase the cost to society in the form of higher insurance premiums for those that don't? I'm "not Saying Anything", I'm just providing an example, a data point. I may get a lathe myself someday... if I'm feeling lucky... ; )
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Here's a better thought ... only the apathetic and stupid allow corporations to dictate their choices in life.
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Swingman wrote:

MARKETING makes that a tough battle (did you watch the Superbowl?) But its a battle I have been increasing vigilant in fighting, as least to some degree (for myself). I think to do this, one much even take the time and effort to understand the psychological techniques that marketers use. I don't think most people are willing to invest even as much energy at this, as evidently you and I have. By the way, they say "If you tell someone something 6 times, that they will start to believe it".
Can you think of the dog and the horse scenario without thinking of Budweiser? They want to be your "friend"! To me, that's sort of scary. The people who greet you as you enter or leave a casino door, they want to be your "friend" too, just like the greeter at Walmart. I think I got interested in this "battle" when one of my junior high teachers pointing out "hidden images" in the art work of liquor advertisements in magazines. It's a jungle out there! ; ) Newport, Alive with ....
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On 2/7/2014 3:15 PM, Bill wrote:

A letter to the editor in the Hartford Courant lashed out at the commercial. She said it glorified puppy mills, showed poor treatment since the puppy escaped and sent a wrong message to children. I thought they were selling beer.
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On 2/7/2014 5:45 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

I thought last years ad was better.
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What do you call someone who allows government to dictate their choices in life?
A: subject
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On 2/7/2014 5:48 PM, snipped-for-privacy@attt.bizz wrote:

Close ... serf
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On 2/6/2014 10:13 AM, snipped-for-privacy@none.com wrote:

He is spot on. I see people going out of their way to circumvent that taxes. Buying mail order, buying out of state, and it is a hot item for thieves breaking into stores.

That may be true, but taxation has done very little to reduce the number of smokers. Some sort of education program may help. Taking away the "cool factor" for young teenagers would help a lot. I was about 13 when I started, just like the big kids, but was able to quite in my 20's.

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On 2/6/2014 9:13 AM, snipped-for-privacy@none.com wrote:

No problem, just a drop in the bucket ... still got plenty left. ;)

Saving the life of someone willingly engaging in bad behavior is not my concern in the least.
> and costs to the > healthcare system from people smoking.
It is a demand on the healthcare system only because progressive make it so.
Progressive thinking rarely takes into account the unintended consequences of their policies ... in this case rewarding bad behavior by providing healthcare for the consequences of same only encourages further bad behavior, of all types, including crime.
Look no further for the result of years of progressive policies by the rampant bad behavior exhibited in places like Detroit and Chicago.
Only one thing is absolutely unarguable ... all the above notwithstanding, a progressive politician can buy votes all the way to hell by promising to do so.
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On Thu, 06 Feb 2014 08:03:38 -0600, Swingman wrote:

Much like Alabama's very high tax on alcohol, some 40% of the total retail cost, it doesn't seem to put a damper on peoples drinking habits.
It does make for a viable bootleg liquor market, both store bought and moonshine.
It is a short trip to Kentuckey where the price is low and a pickup load can net the bootlegger an easy $1000 dollar profit a trip. (that's a very conservative figure)
The price of cigarettes are even more grossly distorted from NC to the Nothern states, it's illegal but it is big business too.
None of this takes away from the fact that smoking does in fact kill millions, however we are Americans and should be able to choose our poison without much govt. interference.
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On 2/5/2014 12:56 PM, Lew Hodgett wrote:

Goodwill, is that what they are calling it?
It makes good ethical sense but the customers are going to give the competition $2 Billion worth of extra business.
Sounds like a preemptive move to perhaps dodge any law suits Kalifornia is cooking up.
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Leon wrote:

Personally, I have frequently found it strange that pharmacies have/had such huge cigarette displays (I sensed a "conflict of interest"). And crappy prices too! They apparently cater to people who are price-indifferent.
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Conflict? They get you coming and going - profit at both ends of your health. How is that a conflict?
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