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On Thu, 25 Dec 2014 10:48:09 -0500, snipped-for-privacy@attt.bizz wrote:

A number of years back on a trip to the west coast we saw numerous trains of over 200 cars - coal, grain, oil, lumber, automobiles, containers - You name it - it was on those trains.Going both directions too.
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snipped-for-privacy@snyder.on.ca wrote in wrote: >>100-car trains (mostly container an car transporter) aren't uncommon

As dpb noted above, the limiting factor on train length is the length of the passing sidings, which are typically 9,000 to 10,000 feet long. Canadian National is the exception, as they have found a way to schedule long trains to pass only at railyards where they have extra space. So those 200 car trains were almost certainly on CN.
There's considerable debate in the industry whether trains of over 10,000 feet actually provide any advantage.
John
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John McCoy wrote:

The long coal trains in west Texas someone mentioned travel on parallel tracks so they don't have to worry about sidings and such unless there is a derailment or breakdown.
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Actually, that's not so - slower trains, such as coal trains, need to be overtaken by faster trains (container trains, passenger trains if it happens to be a line with Amtrak service, etc). Having double track makes life easier, but it doesn't eliminate the need for sidings.
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On 12/26/2014 11:49 AM, John McCoy wrote:

And, I don't think there's all that much of W Texas that has dual mainline, anyway, really. I couldn't find a UP route map with sufficient detail in a quick search to confirm, but I've driven the stretch north of Amarillo where there's a goodly-size coal-fired plant burning Powder Basin coal and seen them on sidings there...and there's certainly no double line when get on up across E Colorado. I also travel US 287 from Lamar thru Eads to Limon as it cuts off the 90 corner for us to get to Denver and there's a couple-mile siding along there. It doesn't show on UP route map that I saw but I don't think those maps were any but main routes; not every mile of track. Or, it could be that is an interconnection local line across there; I've not investigated. There's another coal-fired plant W of Garden City, KS, that gets service via an interconnect to the Santa Fe that comes from up across that way as well to/from Powder Basin and/or Wyoming...
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On 12/26/2014 11:40 AM, dpb wrote:

UP has dual track on most if not all of the route between El Paso and LA. They've been doing ballast work and replacing ties - much with concrete for quite a few years now.
I heard several years ago that their traffic would pick up from 80 to 100 trains a week - or was that a day? - through Casa Grande, AZ. It does seem like one rolls through every 15 minutes or so.
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On 12/26/2014 1:16 PM, Doug Winterburn wrote:

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That's not the part of TX _we_ think of as "West Texas"... :) From Midland/Odessa to Lubbock to Amarillo and Perryton is our idea. Not much dual track line along there.... :)
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On 12/26/2014 02:27 PM, dpb wrote:

I grew up in Western Washington State. I could never figure out why the network news guys referred to Minnesota, Illinois, etc as being in the "west". And then there's Northwestern University. Strange ...
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On 12/26/2014 3:27 PM, dpb wrote:

The West starts in Ft. Worth and moves westward up through the Pan Handle and down through the Big Bend - ending at the Rio Grande (or once did ) in El Paso. Now the Rio is in Mexico and we end where the President (Kennedy) decided where the river was 150 years before... The buildings and businesses lost their places in life and were forced to move out. I don't know what kind of deal they got, but their placement was poor.
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"Doug Winterburn" wrote in message

UP has dual track on most if not all of the route between El Paso and LA. They've been doing ballast work and replacing ties - much with concrete for quite a few years now.
UP acquired a lot of that double track when it swallowed the Southern Pacific [thank you, Phillip Anshutz]. That would certainly account for it between New Orleans and L.A. It is surprising they are going concrete with their ties, something that has been common in Europe for decades, not very much in the U.S. I worked a summer as a laborer at the SP creosoting plant on the east end of their Englewood rail yard [Wallisville Road and Lockwood Drive]. Ugly, smelly stuff. Lots of wood though!
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On 12/27/2014 8:42 AM, Dave from SoTex wrote: ...

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The UP line here is the old Rock Island mainline...they've been upgrading it to continuous rail as well that runs Chicago-El Paso. I can well imagine in the southern areas from New Orleans to Houston to (say) San Antonio the concrete ties would pay where it's wetter; would think W TX and across to LA "not so much". They're using traditional wood ties up here on all I've seen, anyway...
But there's very little dual line...
I _still_ don't think of El Paso to LA as lines _thru_ "West Texas"... :)
PS. BTW, I did find a different UP map that _does_ show the eastern branch from Amarillo to Denver via Boise City, OK, Lamar, CO, so it is, as I thought, UP. But there's no double track on that route all the way to/from coal country that I'm aware of...
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On 12/27/2014 8:42 AM, Dave from SoTex wrote: ...

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The UP line here is the old Rock Island mainline...they've been upgrading it to continuous rail as well that runs Chicago-El Paso. I can well imagine in the southern areas from New Orleans to Houston to (say) San Antonio the concrete ties would pay where it's wetter; would think W TX and across to LA "not so much". They're using traditional wood ties up here on all I've seen, anyway...
Not that I would necessarily know but I am unaware of any concrete ties in use in the Gulf coast region of Texas. Every time I see track restoration in progress there are bundles of creosoted wood ties spread up and down the track.
But there's very little dual line...
I _still_ don't think of El Paso to LA as lines _thru_ "West Texas"... :)
PS. BTW, I did find a different UP map that _does_ show the eastern branch from Amarillo to Denver via Boise City, OK, Lamar, CO, so it is, as I thought, UP. But there's no double track on that route all the way to/from coal country that I'm aware of...
I don't know for a fact but that segment is very likely old Denver & Rio Grande Western [parent company: Rio Grande Industries] which is where the Phillip Anshutz reference comes into play. the Anshutz family was the DRGW and in the 1980s [I believe] Phillip, as head of the company, borrowed $1.07 billion to purchase the Southern Pacific. That eventually lead to his merging it with the UP in the mid-90s. As I recall, Anshutz got a seat on the board of directors.
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On 12/27/2014 12:30 PM, Dave in Texas wrote:

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I don't know, either, but I doubt it was D&RGW on the line from Denver to Amarillo, via Lamar...the Pueblo/Denver branch on west has much higher likelihood as Pueblo was early steel/coal area but I'd be extremely surprised to learn that the eastern line has been around anyways nearly that long bac...but, I've not done any looking into it at all.
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On 12/26/2014 12:40 PM, dpb wrote:

Trains run east west from Dallas. The Main heavy line runs from San Antonio and stays south and moves north of Big Bend on the line to the Rio Grande and then north into El Paso. Was 3 oil/gas refineries there and Army and Air Force bases. Then onward to LA or to Pheonix...
It runs north from LA though to (I want to say) Washington.
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Ah, now if you want strange, look up why Case Western Reserve University has "western reserve" in their name...
John
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"John McCoy" wrote:

----------------------------------------------------------- Pretty straight forward. NorthEast Ohio is in the lands of the Western Reserve which was a set aside if lands in the Connecticut colony weren't sufficient to cover land grants granted there.
To this day, "The Lands of the Western Reserve" is still a popular tag line for many businesses in NE Ohio.
Lew
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"Lew Hodgett" wrote:

---------------------------------------------- Forgot to mention that prior to the merger, Case and Western Reserve were independent universities that shared many common facilities in the area known as University Circle.
Also included in the physical area was the FP Bolton School of Nursing..
Lew
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