On Wed, 03 Sep 2014 22:37:20 -0500, Martin Eastburn
AFAIK, the "car-train" only operates between (somewhere outside of) DC
down to one location in FL. It's *not* cheap.
Real cost? I don't mind driving, up to about 12hrs per day, anyway. I
haven't done it for more than two days (in a *long* time, anyway),
On Thu, 04 Sep 2014 19:47:39 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Or take a cruise ship. I HATE sitting in the cramped seats of
commercial aircraft for any length of time.
I have more room in my buddy's '46 Aircoupe!!!! (and anyone who's
flown in one of those knows that's saying something - for a 6'2" 220
We went on an Alaskan cruise. Only thing to do on board is eat, gamble,
or buy stuff. The ports of call are solid gift shops for a square mile
around the dock (OK, a slight exaggeration, but only slight).
The only things that made the cruise bearable were the scenery (for a few
hours of the 6 days) and the storm that made even the crew seasick, but
not us - yes, gloating is cruel, but it's fun :-). And because of the
storm, we made an unscheduled stop in Vancouver and they have a great
natural history museum.
I won't say my wife will never drag me on another, but I'd have consider
whether a divorce would be preferable :-).
On Fri, 5 Sep 2014 20:37:35 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard
There's drinking, too. I don't touch the stuff (anymore) so that's
out. Unless they have woodworking stores, I wouldn't buy anything, so
there is another reason to skip the whole thing. ;-)
Good to know! I thought there would be a lot more scenery than that.
I don't think I get seasick (never had an issue with motion sickness)
but don't really want to know. I have no sensitivity to Poison Ivy
but I'm not about to keep trying it, either.
I've sent my wife on a few cruises with her mother and friends. ...a
double win! ;-)
If I want to go to a beach (Redneck Riviera in three weeks ;-), I'll
go to a beach. There is no reason to spend a week on a boat to do it.
I can eat at home and do too much of it here. Vacation diets are
already a disaster - don't need more help. ;-)
I did too, but a lot of the time we were out of sight of the coast. One
wave and/or pier looks a lot like another. We spent a few hours looking
at places where glaciers used to be (no, I'm not kidding) and we took a
side excursion from Skagway on the train. Those were the scenic moments.
To be fair, there were supposedly better viewing spots in Glacier Bay,
but because of the weather the captain decided going to those spots was
P.S. He was a *cautious* Italian - apparently not the same one who
wrecked the Costa Concordia :-).
On Fri, 05 Sep 2014 20:06:49 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
Well, for me and my wife, cruising is a real holiday.We can sit on
the deck, or on the balcony - in the warmth of the caribean when it's
blowing snow and cold and miserable at home. We can visit different
places and stay in the same hotel room every night, where my wife
doesn't need to cook or clean.
The alaskan cruise had LOADS of scenery and we lucked out and only had
half a day of rain,and very little fog. We got out of the touristy
souvenier shops as quickly as possible, and did a lot of walking and
took public transit or grabbed a tour off-ship. Saved a bundle and had
a good time.
On our Mediteranean cruise (first cruise of the spring season) it was
cold and windy and nasty for a few days, but Madiera and the Canary
Islands more than made up for it - we rented a car on Tennerif and
drove up Mount Tiede? -a drive of a lifetime. Rented a mini-taxi in
Cassablanca, and walked around Marseille. Then took the hop-on hop-off
tour bus around Barcelona. The flight home was HELL. Prior to the
cruise we spent a week in Austria - 2 days on business in Gunskirchen
then touring by rented car to Salzburg via Hallstatt, and then back to
Vienna. Fantastic scenery, friendly folks, and good spring weather.
Much prefered any of our cruises to a week at an all inclusive resort
- but Cuba was definitely worth seeing once.
Getting to the ship and back is generally the worst part of a cruise
vacation - and I LOVE flying. But not packed like cattle into a
"flying school-bus" for several hours - or days.
I've done enough very long distance flying that consider the
commercial flight portion of a trip a holiday any more. Can't move.
Can't see anything. It's noizy and uncomfortable. Half the time it's
dirty. The food is lousy - and did I mention - it's UNCOMFORTABLE for
a long-leggedke me.
Wife wants to go to Hawaii. Wouldn't mind it myself. Flying to San
Fransisco be enough flying. I'd drive it if I had the time - and enjoy
it more than the flight even though at my age I need to get out and
tretch every hour or so or my back and legs REALLY complain when I
finally do get out. Would love to do the old Route 66 out, but would
want at least a week both ways, added to the 2 week cruise, and
another week in Cali. Been 22 years since I was last in Frisco and
years since I last drove across the great plains (to Tulsa) Would want
to finally drive the PCH (closed due to quake last time I was out),
Redwood Canyon again, and Monterey.
A few days on the ship each way from Frisco to Hawaii sounds a lot
better to me than a day each way on the plane!!!
If you ever do and want to do non-touristy things, rent a car and drive
around Round Top and Mt. Tantalus (same road). In town, easily accessible
from Waikiki. Great mountain forest, views of the town, etc. I lived
there nearly 40 years and I liked that drive so much I'd do it at least
once a year.
Another interesting drive is the old Pali Road. It went from the leeward
to windward side of the island through Nuuanu Valley, up the mountain,
then wound down a precipitous road carved out of the mountain side.
Hairy. Most is gone, Pali Highway and a tunnel replaced it, but there is
still a portion left on the Honolulu side, reached by a turnoff from Pali
Highway. The attractions are jungle and views of Nuuanu Stream.
A third dadiOH recommendation is the Honolulu Art Museum. It is on
Beretania Street (one way toward downtown) about a mile from downtown and
two miles from Waikiki. About half of it is Oriental art, the other half
"conventional" including Gauguin and Van Gogh. The building itself is -
IMO - an extremely attractive one...a fine example of what tropical
architecture should be.
There used to be a lot of other interesting things but most of what
enchanted me has been razed in favor of high rises and traffic :(
I just thought of another. If you like to walk, go to the end of the road
in Manoa Valley and hike up to Manoa Falls. It is an easy walk and Manoa
valley is only about three miles from Waikiki.
As a bit of trivia, Manoa gets about 300 inches of rain annually, Waikiki,
maybe 20. The reason is that the trade winds have picked up a lot of
water; when they hit the leeward side they are forced up by the mountains;
up=cooler, cooler=rain. You can sit in Waikiki and watch the clouds
forming over the mountains; those clouds then blow toward Waikiki but
rarely get there because they are dissipated by the ever dryer air.
On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 00:29:44 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
We do that with our toes in the sand on the FL beach. We have the car
available if we want to go somewhere, too. She actually does cook, a
little, and sure, there is a little cleaning. Very little, actually,
in a week. We rent an entire four-bedroom (two masters) house for
about $1300 for the week. My wife has a friend, who she sees only
once or twice a year, come see us and this year the kid and his wife
will join us.
I guess that was the other Alaska. ;-)
Yeah, flying is no longer a vacation. It's much more work than work.
I'll be doing the VT run next Wednesday but it's only four hours end
to end. Two days driving back won't be fun but it's my penance for
wrecking the wife's toy.
I bet I know which side you're on in the great seat-back debate. ;-)
Sure. Skip the flight and Hawaii and I'll do the couple of weeks back
and forth to the left coast. My ideal vacation has always been a
class-A for a month in the west. Maybe some day.
I don't mind flying quite that much. My wife absolutely hates it,
though. For Hawaii or Australia, she would probably get over it.
On Sat, 06 Sep 2014 10:01:02 -0400, email@example.com wrote:
Well, I'm over 6'1" and I've gon my ass, so sitting in a plane is
pure torture. Back when I flew to Zambia and back they didn't pack as
many people into a plane as they do today - I'm sure I had 4 inches
more leg room back in the seventiesorst ones today are the bloody
charters!!!! Sunwing to Cuba or whatever the planes are set up for
pymies with no legs, or possibly for Chinese tourists, who tend to be
a bit more compact.
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