RE: Least We Not Forget

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It is 64 years today, since 12/07/41, "a day that shall live in infamy" per FDR.
Least we not forget.
Lew
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

Defending yourself is evil.
JP
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I think we've pretty near forgotten. One two line, half column blurb under "Things On This Date In History" was it in the major local paper.
Some of these young history teachers should be put on a plane to Hawaii and then made to stand for a half day or so on the Arizona Memorial. The rest of the day at the Punch Bowl.
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I work at a tech company with many "30somethings" who have either had absolutely no history lessons in school or think anything that happened prior to the "summer of love" was meaningless because they firmly believe america re-invents itself every 25 years or so and the past is not all that instructive. Perhaps that's why americans as a society tend not to let history give us a lesson in vigilance, and history repeats itself, e.g., 12/7/41 and 9/11. Same deal, sucker punch, just a different enemy, time and place. I honor the memory of the dead of both attacks, and ask why those presumably "in charge" did not anticipate such acts which in hindsight seem so obvious. I guess its the same disease of ignoring the past that infects my co-workers. So be it.
Whilst waxing philosophic, I might as well continue. Our wonderful Prez seems to suffer from the same intellectual disease, instead of pursuing Al Queda with all our resources post 9/11, his leadership detours (manipulates?) us into invading Iraq simply because Saddam tried to have Dubya's daddy killed and/or all of his oil buddies (read campaign contributors) were salivating over that "bubbling crude" under the sand in that shi*hole country, and not because there were any Al Queda terrorists there being supported by Saddam who was presumably giving them WMD. Even a fool can realize that Saddam would not have tolerated a religious-based armed power structure within his fiefdom. Now, and properly so, we have to stay (1, 2, 3 years, no end to it that I can see) to clean up the hotbed of international terrorism that filled the power vacumn our invasion created, and do that at great loss of life - both american and iraqi. Somehow, even though I didn't particularly care for the guy, I don't think Al Gore would have gotten us into this mess. I dunno, I guess I'm just so, so sad for those families that have lost their sons and daughters in this particular aspect of the war on terror that really shouldn't have happened in the first place.
BYW, today is the 25th anniversary of John Lennon's murder. We should all read the lyrics of "Imagine" and just think about what he was trying to say.
I'll shut up now.
Mutt
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Pig wrote: <snip>

Thank you.
Glen
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The History teacher would love to teach history but the friggen school administration dictates what will be taught. The schools have to be all politically correct so as not to offend some one. Teaching about the Japanese would hurt some Americans feelings. Then there is the Darwin thing. I say let the teather teach and diciplin the child.
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Leon said:

My shortest response ever... ;-)
Yup!
Greg G.
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wrote:

Maybe. I've seen too many history teachers, and English teachers, who don't know enough about their subjects to teach anything. The leads to a generation now turning 30 that has no idea what the causes of the 'Nam war were, with no idea that the Korean War was even fought--most of those who do know of Korea think of it as an extension of WWII, and they view WWII as something that was a cakewalk for the Allies, with a predetermined outcome.
Scary.
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Charles Self (in Y0Ylf.134666$ snipped-for-privacy@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net) said:
| Maybe. I've seen too many history teachers, and English teachers, | who don't know enough about their subjects to teach anything.
I was lucky - I had good teachers. My kids' history teachers didn't even bother to give their classes a clue as to /why/ history was taught in school. I recalled George Santayana's famous quote ("Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.") and we began working our way backward from what was being reported on the evening news - a game to identify historical precedent for current events.
I found it interesting that their history grades improved - and that they concluded that most politicians seemed to lack either integrity or proper education (or both). Darned if I don't agree.
The real eye-opener came some years later when I discovered that my (then) Soviet Russian ESL students (all engineers) knew more of American history than we even attempt to teach in our schools...
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eye-opener came some years later when I discovered that my

If you'd seen what they were taught about their own, you'd be even more amazed. I can remember posting some changes to our books back when an RSL student. Remove these pages - someone out of favor - insert these.
The powers that wish to be in power forever are willing to sacrifice reality for harmony. How that differs from sacrificing it for socialist reality is something I don't quite understand.
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Wouldn't limit it to those two subjects, had a "Teacher" at the college level that ASKED THE STUDENTS if THEY knew what the concept was! Another read from the text and didn't understand what he was reading. This was after students got sick and tired of his stories about voice recognition software that was being developed. I'm gettin' sick! In an advanced drafting class in high school the teacher, ex-woodshop theacher that developed painful ailments and was reassigned, was grading drawings when a student exclaimed in a silent classroom "Jesus Christ!" when he realised he made a mistake and "Pop" looked over his glasses and suggested "John, next time I'd suggest you call on someone you know better" and went back to grading in silence. He had three kids Tom, Dick and Harry. When he was Boy Scout Troop Leader his troop was the largest in town! Miss him!
On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 15:09:44 GMT, "Charles Self"

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Retired
(snip)
Just curious, did God not watch over those that fell?
If you ascribe a man's survival to divine intervention, surely the reverse must be true. Those millions that did not survive WWII must have been left out of God's watchfulness. As God is omnipotent by definition, he must have been capable of watching over everyone, he just must have chosen to do so in some cases and not others. If that is the case then you would have to wonder why God would choose this man to watch over and not this other man.
Mekon
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Hear hear. For some soldiers getting up in the morning and not shooting a hole in their foot makes qualifies them for hero status in my book.So many men and women did their bit in your country and both of mine (UK and Oz) without recognition and returned to a ungrateful world.
One of my grandfathers was unable to enlist as he was in a reserved occupation. He was a coal miner. Every working day he would go down the mine not knowing whether he would have a family to come back to when he came back up. Twice he came up to find his home wrecked and once he arrived after they had dug his wife out of the rubble and yet he went down again the next day. I can't imagine how he must have felt when he went down again and again and again.
His wife, my Grandma, was a hero too She was a midwife who "delivered babies as the bombs were falling". On one occasion a German bomber was about to crash land and to avoid being blown up by their own bombs they dropped the load in a line down the main street, destroying several houses (including hers) as it went.
The damage still shows in the house next door as a large crack running up the wall by the stairs. The bomber crash landed and a mob was about to lynch the crew. Grandma pushed her way through the crowd (all 5 ft 2 of her!) and faced them all down. "But Nurse! Look what they have done to your house! " said one of the mob. "Its no worse than what my boys are doing over there." she replied. And it wasn't.
She then proceded to care for their wounds.
I don't think I would have done that, I think I would have just helped kill the Germans.
Her recognition came in the form of naming a street after her. Grandads? Well he got a letter from the king.
Mekon
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wrote:

And here's to Uncle Gus'es everywhere. The display case is a nice idea, Dave, and thanks for sharing the story.
Ricky
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I see you've been reading the Soviet version of History.
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wrote:

If it makes ya feel any better, Charlie, the front page of our local paper had pictures and articles about the local celebration and showed a shot of a Pearl Harbor survivor reading the names of local folks who died in the attack, while another P. H. vet rand the bell..
"New from Mitsubishi, the company that brought you Pearl Harbor"
mac
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 09:39:20 +0000, Cothian wrote:

That's the one.
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On Thu, 08 Dec 2005 10:24:21 +0000, Charles Self wrote:

We did a little better. In addition to the above, we had about a half page article on a survivors reunion. Of course, it was on the last page.
As one who was a child during that war, many thanks to all who fought in it - I owe you.
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We all owe them. This world would be considerably different, and not pleasantly so, without their sacrifices. I was about seven when WWII ended, and, in one way or another, we've been embroiled in wars for too many of the years since then, but we've also had longer and more peaceful times of calm than most eras ever see. It will be wonderful, if it ever happens, when an era of calm, of peace, extends so far into the past that there is no need to remember the last war. But that's far in the future, and seems to be receding quickly.
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Amen, guys; there were once giants on the earth, and they were of that generation. My father was drafted in '39 and was in it until '45; those men and women literally did the impossible. I wonder if our present generation would have the fortitude....
Jim

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