Bought a sheet of 1/4" oak plywood at HD today. I got it home and was
setting up to cut some rabbets for the plywood as a backer on a cabinet. I
eyeballed the plywood and thought "that looks mighty thin to be 1/4". Now,
I know they've shaved 1/32" off all the plywood we buy these days at the
borg - a 1/4" really comes out as 7/32". This one measured 3/16" and no
more. I used an Incra ruler on it - 3/16". It wasn't even a "strong" 3/16"
as Norm would say. It was advertised as "1/4" oak plywood" on the sign at
Pretty soon we'll be buying thin air, but by gosh, it will NOT go up in
price! This is spreading to most consumer products, selling less
product at the same price (or more) to "compete" with other companies.
You think so? My impression is that, for the most part, retailers are lowering
prices, and then finding ways to hide that they are really selling less
product. If you go into Home Depot, Lowes, Target, Wal Mart, etc, you'll see
price drop stickers all over the place, more so than in the past it seems. A
few years ago, I remember seeing a lot more stickers advertising new,
improved models, etc. I think the extended slow economy has made the retailers
re-evaluate their strategy. That's all just my non-scientific impression,
Funny, I noticed the same thing on a 1/4" board I bought last week at HD. I
thought they were trying to hold prices, but that couldn't be because their
prices were up and their plywood was under thick.
Sun, Jan 2, 2005, 8:07pm (EST-1) email@example.com (bob)
Bought a sheet of 1/4" oak plywood at HD <snip>
You're not dealing with rocket scientists there, you know. I've
frequently found wood/plywood listed wrong, or stacked in the wrong
stack. Pays to doublecheck.
People without "things" are just intelligent animals.
Once again, the word is "nominal." This means 1/4 in name, not necessarily
in dimension. Might not be the same dimension from supplier to supplier, so
if you're mixing - be careful.
Without hoping to provoke the calculus boys again, you have only to look at
the cereal boxes to see that we see broadly, not in depth. At the coffee
can to know that it's diameter is still what a three-pound can used to be,
but the height is less. Let's not get into Hershey bars....
But the amount of coffee or amount of chocoate on those products are
accurately measured, whereas wood is as big of a misrepresentation as
there is in retail products.
Could you imagine buying a pound of coffee, and getting 12 ounces?? Or
buying a gallon of milk and getting 3 quarters?
Well, I guess my comment on how poorly people focus on actual content would
have to apply to reading Usenet, too.
Nominal - in name only. OK?
CAUTION - plywood from different sources may not be the same thickness
though nominally the same. Can ruin your whole day if you dadoed for one
and fit the other.
As to the rest, ask how many people realize that the former 16 oz can is now
15 1/2, the Juicy Juice is four fluid ounces less than the Welch's next to
it, or the pound of coffee actually 12 oz. It'll teach you the value of
I read your message, but you're equating two different things, and
you're doing it again with your coffee example.
The coffee can does NOT say "a pound of coffee", yet the contents only
contain 12 oz. However, when a board says it's 1/4", it is a blatant
mispresentation of the size.
But that formerly 16 oz can had better say that it's really 15 1/2 oz or
the can of coffee containing 12 oz better say that and not 16 --- the
various federal trade overseers get pretty bent out of shape if this is not
the case. To label something as 15/32 and then really provide it as 7/16
instead should result in similar issues.
Now we'll just use some glue to hold things in place until the brads dry
It does, but only if you read it.
As does the nominally-sized plywood - if you read it.
Hint - it's the small print.
For the obtuse Larry - people don't study such things. That's why you can
shorten the can in increments and folks think they're getting a good price.
Look at the annual number of threads complaining about 4/4 wood being 3/4"
or a 2x6 being 1 1/2 by 5 1/2 if you doubt this. And those are the things
every woodworker could and should find out about in the first book they
I don't think they can get the cereal box faces any larger without getting
so thin a flake would get stuck crosswise....
*rant mode on*
It gets worse. I bought a sheet of 1/2" a few weeks ago - claerly stamped as12.5 mm
on the side
byt the manufacturer. When I measured it, it was only 12 mm. Phoning and complaining
complete waste of time. (this was to HD Curity store in Toronto). And how do they get
making it out of 4 layers?! Even their 3/4" stuff is only 5-layer - bendable as
'real' 1/2". I'd rather
pay more for quality so I don't buy ply there anymore :-(. Wish they weren't so
their specs. Bet they wouldn't apprecaite me paying only $120 for a $125.40 bill and
Does anyone at HD read this group?
Admirable in some regards as I also dislike what the box stores have
done to availability of better materials, but for ply materials in
general it was instigated by the manufacturers, not the retailers...
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