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J. Clarke responds:

Yes, well...I'm a near lifelong Independent--Republican for the first two elections, then I started recalling the bullshit that floated around. I thought Clinton was a major PITA and a damned fool, but he was at least capable of thinking when his one-eyed mouse wasn't controlling him. Shrub...?
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Charlie Self wrote:

Hey, Hillary has _two_ eyes. Oh, that wasn't the mouse you meant was it. Never mind.

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On 04 Feb 2005 13:24:12 GMT, the inscrutable snipped-for-privacy@aol.comnotforme (Charlie Self) spake:

Nope our bone to pick is with the American Sheeple who voted that way. Not that Kerry of Taxachusetts would have been much better, but his bad ways surely would have been less detrimental to the health of the US citizenry than what the Shrub looks to pull in the immediate future.

Not to mention that if he goes into yet another Muslim country, he will surely create the critical mass that will spark their global (and unified) PHYSICAL rebellion against us. It's all just hatred now. Wait until a large percentage of their 1.3 BILLION take up arms against us. I, for one, don't ever want to see that happen.

A non-religious AMEN to that, Charlie.
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message

That's the curse of being cowardly ... you must always live in fear that someone is going to kick your ass if you don't placate them, no matter what they do to you.
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... and that is exactly what every prez from Nixon on up has done vis China, what Regan did vis Lebanon, and what GWB II has done with China, North Korea, Pakistan, and Saudi Arabia.
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snipped-for-privacy@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote in
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How can we forget when every time we open a post from you or Mark and a couple of others you insist on *reminding* us of this odious fact?
Strut away. Enjoy the "mandate."
But as I recall you were also the guys who were sure there were WMDs in Iraq, too. Perhaps you still think there are, hmm? After all, about 40% of the voters thought that Saddam had WMD and that Saddam directly aided the 9/11 terrorists:
http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PIDP8
You've got to respect those Bush supporters for their ability not to confuse blind support with facts.
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On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 13:08:46 GMT, snipped-for-privacy@milmac.com (Doug Miller) wrote:

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Mathematical calculations aside, even I know that 3 million outta 120 million ain't much.
Just like we'll "fix" social security by cutting the intake and gambling.
Never did see any adminsitration so blatant about talking outta both sides of their mouths.

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Hey! I thought we didn't elect presidents that a way! You sure didn't bring it up 4 years ago. Hmm. Wonder why...
Have yourself a merry little weekend.
GO EAGLES!
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 21:20:16 -0500, Renata wrote:

The other "solution" is to increase the intake by raising/removing caps and running up the national debt even faster as every dollar in the SS trust fund represents one dollar of national debt. Not to mention the fact that every FICA tax dollar that goes into the trust fund will be matched by an additional income tax dollar with interest for other folks to pay (double taxation) since the feds spend every trust fund dollar in the year it was collected. Currently, something in excess of over 40% of the national debt is this intra-governmental debt. In case you don't remember, this type of accounting - creating shell corporations to transfer debt to and then counting that debt as an asset - is what some ex-Enron execs are being prosecuted for.
And for the liberals part, they trash GWB for recognizing the problem and trying to take some steps to correct it - all the while while moaning about the national debt. The way the law is currently written, eliminating the national debt would require eliminating the SS and all other trust funds as well as every other type of government bond.
So, be careful who you accuse of talking out both sides of the mouth.
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Shrib's "solution" does not address this problem (the raiding of the SS trust fund and replacing it w/IOU's).
Renata
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On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 07:43:55 -0500, Renata wrote:

Under current law, the fund must buy those IOUs with every excess dollar - there is no choice, and if you wish to call it "raiding", it has been the law since the inception in 1935. Just out of curiosity, what would you have the trust fund buy in place of government securities (IOUs)? Old FDR suggested it be transitioned out of this somewhere around 1965 into self-supporting annuities. So far, we're only 40 years late. And since you're against "raiding" as I am, the Democrat plan proposes to raise or eliminate withholding caps so as to be able to "raid" at a faster rate and buy even more IOUs.
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What's wrong with investing the trust fund invest the money in the stock market (or some other vehicle) rather than continually loaning it to the government?
This loaning is apparently a good part of the problem coming up since the fed won't be able to hide the true budget deficit as easily, once SS stops taking in more than it pays out.
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On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:46:03 -0500, Renata wrote:

You hit the nail on the head! I do believe we have found common ground. Now that you understand the problem and solution, spread the word and push for reform. Much better to pay back the trust fund with corporate profits rather than government profits AKA taxes. Private investments as you suggest also do not add trillions to the national debt as do government securities. In addition, we would know the true amount of government revenue as the SS surplus would not be counted as general revenue but rather would be buying real assets rather than debt.
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On Sat, 05 Feb 2005 20:06:11 -0700, Doug Winterburn

- while increasing the problem by another 1-2 trillion dollars but refusing to recognize it as additional gov't debt.

While GWB II's heart bleeds for the SS debt 20-30 years from now, he is busy bankrupting us NOW with huge deficits that down the road will make SS look like a cake walk. This concern about SS debt is false, like virtually every other pronouncement, action, and supposed concern of this administration.
I do agree with you that SS is just a shell game. SS is fundamentally a welfare program couched in terms of a retirement program to make it acceptable. It is this that rankles right wingers, not the fact that it is heading towards debt status.
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What rankles *me* about it is something even more basic: It's a fscking Ponzi scheme, and like any Ponzi scheme, it's mathematically impossible to sustain. If anybody else besides the federal government was running it, they would've thrown his arse in jail fifty years ago.
-- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)
Nobody ever left footprints in the sands of time by sitting on his butt. And who wants to leave buttprints in the sands of time?
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: Ya know, last I looked the 57 million who voted against Bush were : Americans too.
No they weren't! They were colluders with the enemy, however GWB and Cheney define that!
: One tally shows him winning by 3 milliion votes. : Outta 120 million.
An absolute MANDATE!
: And he has the disctinction of having the highest percentage of votes : cast against a sitting President in history.
He is MUCH better than that! He had the largest number of votes cast against him of any elected president in US history! Go, W! Yay! You are indeed DUH MAN!!!!
Right, Doug and Mark?
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"Larry Jaques" wrote in message

An ostrich with his head in the sand couldn't be doing a better job of ignoring global reality.
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:04:59 -0800, Larry Jaques

good point... we should attack one of the "Sovereign" Indian nations in California next... lose to them and collect foreign aid from the casino profits..
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Get thee to a library. Before there was an Eire (1937), there were conflicts.
Not to mention, the Islam thing goes back a few years before Lepanto, too.
Time to bunker down and wait for actual evidence of WMD to rise into the stratosphere....
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Is it safe to assume that the current planners are aware of the limitations of what is available to them? HumV's aren't APC's. They are used in that role though, which begs the question, what's wrong, the equipment or the application thereof?
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Rob---> who's just asking, not trying to start anything.
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"Robatoy" wrote in message

plan.
Well, read the last paragraph again:

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