Martin H. Eastburn wrote,on my timestamp of 15/11/2009 2:35 PM:
Yikes! That brings back a LOT of memories. I loaded WingZ first on the MacSE30 and was sold on it. Programmed most of the accounting for my company on it. And a lot more for clients! Later on kept the OS2 Warp copy of it running until well into the late 90s when I finally converted to NT and Excel. Still can't do in Excel what I could in WingZ, vba is just not quite as good...
(For those who don't know what this thread is about...)
Well, hell. I've never saw TIFF included in a browser either. There are browser add-ons for TIFF but no public release browsers I've ever seen supported TIFFs natively. (since 1986 anyway) The government computers I worked with since 1987 (FORCECOM, DOD, Lockheed, etc.) included nothing like this either. TIFF is a licensed technology owned by Aldus, now Adobe. Aldus PageMaker was the first program I saw that used TIFFs and Postscript both. TIFF was developed in an attempt to get scanner manufacturers to adopt a common standard for desktop publishing purposes.
AIR, TIFFs were first suggested for experimental use in remote printing applications on ARPA Net in RFC1486 in 1993 and was first suggested as a web image format in RFC2302 in 1998 although a fax only B&W format F was defined in RFC1528 in 1993.
PDFs contain Postscript derivative code. Ghostscript is often used as the engine behind some public domain PDF writers.
All this noise about image formats and I've not seen mention of PNG? Poised as a replacement for the GIF format, which was later held to be under license by Unisys and possesses a limited palette, the PNG format appeared first in 1996 as RFC2083. Later adopted as a W3C recommendation that same year.
The advantage of lossless isn't as much poor image quality as it is multiple edits with the algorithm resulting in gradual degradation. Many cameras have a RAW format which is based on the TIFF format, in addition to the JPG format which allows storing more pictures on a card.
GIF, PNG, and JPG are most popular on the web and have a mime type although TIFF now (since 1998) has a defined mime type as well.
Greg G.
You seem to be confused. The fact that TIFFs are posted and available for download has no relationship to TIFF being a standard for web graphics. TIFF is NOT a standard for web graphics.
And yes, I have actually hand-coded PostScript and pushed it through an interpreter that produced output on a laser printer. If my memory serves, it would have been in about 1991 or 92 when I took a course in Postscript coding at the University of British Columbia.
In fact, I've been working in the publishing industry for over 30 years and remember the first PostScript capable printers. I used to service them.
This programming manual you refer to... Do you mean the full set of the Red Book, the Blue Book and the Green Book, as originally published by Adobe? Or do you mean something else?
Because, if you are continuing to claim that TIFF was an early standard for graphics on the World Wide Web (and BTW, I took our newspaper to the web in August 1995, so I think I have some standing in this conversation) then I am going to call Bullshit.
TIFF was never and has never been a standard graphic format for display in a web browser.
I took
We still have TWO class licences, 198.169.210.x and 198.169.211.x
Yes, that's right. TWO Class C's.
Check the Wayback Machine for the history of the site.
We were not only one of the first newspapers to go to the web, but one of the first online classified ad sites. I paid a perl programmer in Britain $200 US to write code to parse a text dump out of our legacy Harris CASH system and generate not only HTML but an index page as well.
TIFF is a print publishing standard and is not used for web browser display.
Please provide a URL that will display a TIFF graphic in a browser window.
No, but 1995 was. Wayback Machine. Check, you can.
The server I set up in 1995 was a 386 box running BSDI UNIX serving web pages using Apache. We got it from our corporate IT department because their TokenRing network crashed whenever they plugged in it and they could figure out why.
I did do work using Macs much later, we had a Mac running Foxbase serving our classified ads to the main web server running Apache. That would have been about 1997 - 2000. We had to kill the Foxbase server because of our corporate Y2K compliance requirements. We rewrote the code for the classifieds using PHP and SQL queries eventually.
But our web stuff has always been served from UNIX boxen.
You're just making this up as you go along, aren't you?
I can open .TIF in my browser. I am using Opera 9.64. But they are stored on my HDD. And I can see them on
Mike >
It is good to see some old timers on here!
I did find your web site a few months back, and I have it bookmarked to keep tabs on you.
My wife made me get a Sawstop in the spring, are they common down there?
David.
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:11:53 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone scrawled the following:
Dave, Martin's key word is "was", and he was talking about the Internet's Neanderthal Years, way back before Netscape reigned. Just chill.
-- When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. -- Thomas Paine
On Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:01:04 -0600, the infamous Dave Balderstone scrawled the following:
Martin said Mosaic could handle it. I have a book on Mosaic around here somewhere, in my "300+ books to sell on eBay some day" stack, I think. Wanna buy it? It's the pretty purple one. I think I have another purple book on Ventura Publisher in that stack, too.
-- When we are planning for posterity, we ought to remember that virtue is not hereditary. -- Thomas Paine
Holy Crap Jummy,
You are making me all teary eyed!
I am very happy for you that everything worked out.
I remember the crappy days way back when, when your world was falling apart.
Take care,
David.
"Jimmy Mac" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com... On Nov 13, 6:46 am, Larry Jaques wrote:
Well Larry - the "Reader's Digest " version:
Got the divorce. Went half crazy now and then - sold all the sawdust makers, quit my job and moved to Atlanta for about 3 weeks. Visited with my son, looked for gainful employment, and then Harvey (used to frequent the wreck) called me and told me to head for Las Vegas (a place I never even wanted to visit!) Stayed with him and his family for about 3 weeks, got my own place, working as a project manager for the largest mechanical contractor in the city. Advanced to Senior Quality Control Inspector making a great living. A lot has happened to old Jums since the old days. I got married a year and a half ago to a beautiful (and younger) woman who got me back into church. I've got the band going full swing - we've performed at most of the major casinos up and down the Strip, opened for a few of the big names in country music (Reba, Big & Rich, Dwight Yoakum) and having the time of our lives. I am truly blessed - something I thought I would never be able to say. The other thing that keeps me grounded and busy is that I also accepted the role of a lay minister in our church. I preach at an assisted living center around the corner from our church, and I also perform marriages and funerals. Yup - old Minwax Mac has changed a lot! But for what is the remainder of my life: I wouldn't change it for anything! I built all my backyard furniture (redwood . . . no jummywood in the bunch!) but it still won't hold up to the desert heat with 4% humidity! The hottest it's been since I got here almost 8 years ago was 121°. They say it's a dry heat and it's not as bad but believe me . . . my oven is a dry heat and it cooks my food! LOL!
My best wishes and love goes out to each and every one of you. I learned more about woodworking and life from you brothers than I ever did from anyone else. We lost a wrecker a few months back - Tom Rush in Sugar Land. Life is precious ~ it can go in a heartbeat (or maybe just a 1/4 of a finger at a time) I heard from a lot of you guys back when the divorce was severing my life . . . If I ever failed to say it, thank you! Life is good . . . but I'll still never build a spruce goose or talk with anyone that wants to! ROTFLMAO!
Jim McNamara aka Jummy - Jums - Minwax Mac - Former user of Pineywood.
Nahmie can get you the story of the Pineywood that originated in Aussie Land with Brother Phully. Still a fun read!
This was pre Netscape and pre the thoughts of IE. Mosaic displayed it and we used it. I've downloaded massive files from federal sites at their allowance. Scanners continue to ask what format. I have several programs on this computer that modify Tif and use them.
The key that you state is 'a standard' - The standards went towards jpg compressed and move and jiggle jpgs - and naturally movies.
Tif is an old format and has gone through 6 or more versions of internal information.
Retire this thread. I was there I did it. You were not and it doesn't matter.
Mart> >
The issue is your English style. I never stated it was a web standard. You state that... Who cares - we used it.
The graphic browser - Mosaic displayed Tiff. (two f's for UNIX, one for MS). So the browser knew of the TIFF standard and was able to display.
Mart> >
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