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Mr. Lee,
I know you (at least occasionally) monitor posts on this newsgroup, so I wanted to throw out a suggestion, scratch that, I wanted to *beg* you for a new Veritas product.
There is currently one manufacturer in the Milky Way Galaxy who makes registered mortise chisels in true Imperial/fractional sizes: Lie-Nielsen. I'm sure they are wonderful tools...just like Lee Valley/Veritas they do excellent-quality work.
They are currently backordered for four months. I called, and they said that demand so far exceeded supply that four months was the best I could even hope for.
There is only one other manufacturer out there making something even close, and that's HMG out of Germany...they sell exclusively on Hartville Tool's website. I bought one because the catalogue description said "square." Only to find out their idea of square is actually to bevel the sides about 4 or 5 degrees inward. They are nice chisels, and measure spot-on at the stated size, but there not registered to say the least.
So I hereby grovel at thy feet to throw us poor yanks a bone and sell some real imperial *registered* mortise chisels.
Can I get an Amen from the group here???
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On 27/01/2006 12:55 PM, wood snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote:

These aren't Imperial sizes?
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx?c=1&p0010&cat=1,41504,41533&ap=1
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Doug Payne wrote:

That Robin acts fast!! ;-)
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Naw, hey had them already. OP did not Google LeeValley. LOL.
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Leon wrote:

Wrong. Lee Valley's are only labeled imperial. They are sized metric.
Look it up.
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I'll take your word for it THIS TIME.. LOL
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Leon wrote:

I stand corrected, and VERY HAPPILY!! Sorry Leon!!
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Larry Bud wrote:

Who could resist such an entreaty?
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Doug Payne wrote:

No, they're not. Like all other chisels except Lie-Nielsen and the (non-registered) HMG at Hartville Tool, they are acutally sized to the closest millimeter.
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Out of curiosity, why does this matter? Here's my thoughts on this... If you chop out your mortises with a chisel, and set your marking gauge with that same chisel so you can lay out the tennons, and assuming you saw to the marks well, the tennons will fit the mortise. It's kind of like using a hand made ruler... as long as you measure everything for a project with that ruler the pieces will fit together regardless of how consistent the ruler's markings. Do you have some other issue that is of concern?
John
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It's a matter of principle. You can't let the camel get his nose under the tent. Today it might just be metric-dimensioned joinery buried in our furniture, but if you don't stand up for what you believe, soon they will be teaching metric in the schools, and before you know what has hit you, they will confiscate all of your measuring teaspoons, tablespoons, cups and quarts!
Do what's right! Stand up for imperial measures, and fight metrification!
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The alexy entity posted thusly:

Save Imperial, Kill a Meter!
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snipped-for-privacy@asbry.net says...

cups are still alive and well. But you're right to be wary -- the metric system was, after all, a French invention. Once it takes hold, people start voting for socialists and forgetting to shower.
;-)
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wrote:

The forgetting to shower part is bad enough, but then there's also the women refusing to shave that really tears it. ;-)
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On Sat, 28 Jan 2006 19:00:41 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm, Mark

They all smoke, don't shower enough, don't wear ANY deodorant (which tears it for me), and don't shave their pits or legs. Yeah, like I want to go to Europe. 'Course, their women are slimmer than ours, but I just found a slim one here. They can keep their Eurail Passes.
I've been working on mixed metric/sae vehicles for years. What's the difference? Metrics are slightly more standardized. I have tools for both so it matters not to me. I'm learning to think in both metric and sae when doing anything any more. (Does that make me bi-standardized?)
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On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 05:30:30 -0800, snipped-for-privacy@diversify.com wrote:

IMHO, automotive tools are the only place where I prefer metric.. sometimes, my mind just isn't up t0 doing fractions when 19/64 or something doesn't fit.. SO much easier to just go up or down a number and grab the right wrench.. Mac https://home.comcast.net/~mac.davis/wood_stuff.htm
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snipped-for-privacy@diversify.com says...

'cause that's what I learned first. OTOH, metric is far superior for engineering. I recall what a pain it was when, as a student, we had to go from metric (used in physics) to the Imperial used at that time in engineering, with all the bizarre conversion factors that were required.
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:46:26 GMT, Java Man

Actually neither is better for any particular application in that sense, it is when you try to mix systems that it gets complicated.
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Particularly bad if you've ever been to an overheated European dance hall/club on a freezing cold night when the patrons wore their woolies to get there ... wool gets cleaned even less.

As long as they know when stop ... the modern American woman tends to get a little too intimate with her razor, or so I hear. ;)
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On 27/01/2006 3:36 PM, wood snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com wrote:

They've changed then. Mine are real Imperial, fractional metric. i.e. 1/4" is 6.4 mm, 3/8" is 9.5 mm, 1/2" is 12.7 mm, not the other way round. I guess they're older.
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