So obviously you shoukd just give up and suck in a little welfare because this
mean old businessman isn't willing to pay $20 an hour for $5 an hour work. And
we wonder why immigrants, legal or illegal, are sought after. That attitude -
more than the low wage - is the reason. "you owe me" seems to be the low
skilled low educated american's mantra.
Uh, the tax code is replete with welfare programs that require higher
levels of income to qualify.
Even in the middle it is a virtual non-stop "you owe me."
I'm sure if this off topic discussion went on and you were to reveal
your deductions and examined the services you received, your argument
would be that they were owed to you.
I'm an experienced software developer, now unemployed. Bush says I
should change jobs, but software is what I know and have been doing
for 30 years. I could go back to college, but by that time I'll have
8 more years to work until retirement. Right now, I have no insurance
and no plans to buy anything. I can't blame the government for my
situation, but I hate Bush telling me the solution is "to change
professions." I won't change my work, but I will change my vote!
Hmm. Ok, but that doesn't sound like much of a plan. I developed
software for over 40 years (see
http://www.iedu.com/mrd/philips.txt for an addendum) and opted
not to compete with Indian labor rates. We both need to do
/something/ productive with our lives!
I've always loved woodworking; and I've had an increasing
interest in alternative energy technologies since the early 70's
so I decided to produce solar heating panels (browse around at
http://www.iedu.com/DeSoto ) and fill in with contract CNC work
for local cabinet shops (who don't have terribly strong
software/computer skills) to keep my navel separated from my
backbone. I don't know if the plan is a good one or not - but I
think it'll work better than watching my saving be eaten up by
the inflation that the Bush administration set us all up to
experience over the next ten years.
While I was a pretty much in the same boat as you. I chose to retire and
get out while the getting out was good back in 1995. I was in the
Automotive profession for 22 years. I has always been said that the
Automotive profession is a young mans profession. I always thought you
needed to be young to be able to put up with the problems that arise in the
Automotive industry. Having been a service sales manager at a large GM
dealership, making excuses for the quality problems of the American built
car to your customer makes you old quick. I finally realized that a young
mans profession is one that a young man with out a family or obligations
can do pretty good in. Fortunately I worked the automotive system and got
my rewards. I chose to retire not having to work any more at 40. 2 years
later I started my own business and while my profits are there every year,
they come no where near what I was making before retiring. While you hate
Bush for telling you that the solution is to change professions, I did not
have to wait for him to tell me this. I saw the writing on the wall.
but I hate Bush telling me the solution is "to change professions."
Because you quoted that remark, can you lead me to where I can find where or
when he said that?
I've never heard and I'd like to know for sure.
Well I am an unemployeed software engineer. Two years since I was laid
off. I have had 9 weeks of work during that time. Luckily my wife is
Two years ago I made $110K. I would gladly work for half today. I
woul;d change my vote to if I thought it would make a difference.
Remember it was Clinton that signed NAFTA.
It isn't like I make great buggy whips. There is still a demand for
what I do. Unfortunately I think it is the drive for quarterly profits
that is the biggest cause of the problem. The thing with outsourcing is
it is a short sighted solution. Just like chasing quartly profit. The
place I used to work was a high tech company that makes electronics.
The ideas that turn into products come from people in the company. Most
of them come from the engineers, not marketing. What happens when all
of the engineering is outsourced? How thinks up, "if this works and I
make this change then we can sell this to another market"? Nobody.
The company I used to work for was divided up something like this.
10% Admin (like secretaries, book keepers, marketing, support etc.)
How does it look today?
How do the actual numbers look?
2000 engineers, 2000 Manufacturing, 500 Admin and 500 Management for a
total of 5000 people.
Now it has downsized by about 20% for a total of 4000 of which 80 are
manufacturing, 1200 engineers, 800 Managers and 1920 admin and support.
The company grew the marketing, and sales while cutting engineering and
manufacturing. Then naturally because the more work is out sourced they
need more managers to handle the out sourced engineering.
The numbers are estimates.
So therefore it is YOUR choice to be unemployed at your profession that to
change careers. WTF does Bush have to do with it all?
My first choices for a profession were: 1) Pope 2) Queen of England. Both
jobs were filled so I became a manger instead. Do you think I should have
waited for an opening? You can't make much money selling things people just
don't want or need no matter how good we think they are. Basic fact of
Sorry, but when I hear people bitch that "I want to be a (fill in chose
profession) but it does not pay enough to make a living." I don't fee a tiny
bit sorry for them. Do something people are willing to pay for.
Didja bring your dog with you?
Sorry, couldn't resist.
My first choices: I wanted to be the Saint; I wanted to be retired.
Never was ANY kind of saint and I'm of retirement age and wouldn't retire even
if I could affod it.
"A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other
way." Mark Twain
Gee, We have been hell bent on trying to hire _any_ software engineers
here for the past few years. Noone wants to work so we end up filling
the positions with foreigners with visas.
Those job descriptions (2) look a lot more like career astronomers than
programmers to me... Can't say as that indicates a general indication of a
of computer programmers.
"Candidates must possess knowledge of experimental astronomy, especially
or sufficient math and physics to quickly learn, at a detailed level, the
of the EVLA radio telescope..."
Looking at the ONLY posting for a s/w type on your web site I'd guess
that when the qualifications include:
"Preference will be given to candidates who possess a M.Sc. or Ph.D.
in Astronomy with a thesis topic in the area of Aperture Synthesis or
VLBI radio astronomy."
"Advanced or working knowledge of the following: aperture synthesis
radio astronomy, data reduction algorithms and techniques, programming
for scientific applications, Fourier imaging."
make the eye of the needle pretty small. These don't describe the
typical s/w engineer.
There may be a few of those folks around but they may not be interested
in re-locating to central NM at the price you're willing to pay.
These companies have long lists of requirements. I know they really
want someone young, but can't say that (I'm over 40). What's so
strange is that they want 5 years Oracle, 3 years C++, 3 years project
managment, 4 years Java, 2 years Unix scripting--I have all of these,
then they add "Must be fluent in English and Spanish." Others are
looking for a minority, I guess they can pay an Afro-American female
much less money, and she would be happy with it and the company will
make their quota. Plus, the days are long gone when a company will
help with relocation.
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