OT: Yes We Can

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This gave me goose bumps:

http://www.youtube.com:80/watch?v=BHEO_fG3mm4

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/02/celebrities-debut-obama-music-video /
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Garage_Woodworks wrote:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/02/celebrities-debut-obama-music-video /
I'm all for anything that will help defeat Hillary in the primaries.
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You're all missing the point. Without a good leadership and a *working* majority in both House and Senate, who are doing the #right thing# and passing /working legislation that benefits the country as a whole/, nothing, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING is going to change, except that the rich will get richerer and the poor poorer.
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She's dangerous.
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Robatoy wrote:

I think they are ALL dangerous.
Wayne
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http://www.i-cynic.com/
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None are anywhere close to as dangerous as the incumbent.
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And I don't think he's quite done yet either. 3 undersea internet cables cut (actually 4) almost all of Iran is without service. Who knows what that means... but FOUR cables in a very short time? Pardon me, but that's too strange considering that maybe one a year is considered 'often'. Dragging anchors......who does that?
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On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:27:02 -0800 (PST), Robatoy

International copper theft???
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On Feb 3, 10:43pm, clare at snyder.on.ca wrote:

Super Pure Glass thieves?
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Enlighten us. How's she dangerous?
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She's insane. Crazed by the prospect of power. Dude.... take a look at her, will you? http://grampyshouse.net/cliches/galleries/clintonh/clintonh.htm
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"Robatoy" wrote:
She's insane. Crazed by the prospect of power. Dude.... take a look at her, will you?
You can do better than that.
Lew
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Are there specific policies that she advocates that fit your characterization of her as dangerous? She's not my preferred candidate but I'm not afraid of her or anything...
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Jeff wrote:

Can't speak for Robotoy, but some of the things that certainly are frightening from a personal freedom standpoint:
1. She is strongly advocating the US government taking over 1/7 of the US economy with her National Health care plan. Why is this scary you ask, isn't it compassionate and not scary? Look at how well national health care has worked everywhere it has been tried. You like how Britain's National Health care works? Canada is slipping into the same issues. When "nobody" is paying for something, the system gets overloaded, taxes have to be drastically increased, and rationing of the end product gets instituted. But, instead of learning from the problems of others, she persists in the notion that her plan will work.
2. She has made speeches when railing against the large profits of the oil companies how she is going take those profits and invest them in all manner of neo-socialist utopian plans. Think about those words, "I'm going to take those profits and ..." This is a person running for public office essentially saying that her goal is to appropriate the profits of a private enterprise. *That* should scare anybody who works for a living and especially those who have their own business. What this person is effectively saying is that the "greater good" should determine how much of the fruits of your labor you should be allowed to keep.
3. Charlie Tri (sp?), Norman Chieu (sp?), bus boys barely making minimum wage, others in the lower class making the maximum allowed donation to her campaign. Nope, no graft or corruption there.
4. Clinton Inc and the policy of personal destruction. Get in the Clinton's way and they don't go after your viewpoint or ideas, they go after you personally. Ask Linda Tripp, Paula Jones, and others. The same people who are going sub-orbital because of the sitting president wanting to be able to monitor phone calls from the US to terrorist countries apparently don't see a problem with one of the people from the former administration who had cases of FBI files on US citizens that they were not permitted to have in their possession.
There are many other numerous reasons to fear this person. She is manipulative beyond the normal politician, vindictive, and philosophically leans toward strong socialism. That should frighten anybody who believes in financial and personal freedoms.
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Yes I do.

Gasp! In crease taxes when system gets overloaded. You mean don't give a "tax cut" ??

Gasp! Fear change. Fear change. Stay the course!!

Want to know what scares me?
a.. The "surge" a.. Alberto Gonzales a.. Talking about gun rights 2 hours after the Virginia Tech massacre a.. Katrina a.. Paul Wolfowitz at the World Bank a.. Losing 5 million E-mails a.. Reading my Pet Goat on 9/11 a.. Valerie plame a.. Firing the prosecutors a.. Invasion of the wrong country a.. Denying global warming a.. Dubai ports deal a.. Jeff gannon a.. Denying global warming a.. Jack abramoff a.. Harriet meirs a.. AWOL in the national guard a.. Illegal wiretaps a.. Terri Shiavo a.. Losing $9 billion in Iraq a.. Arsenic in Drinking Water a.. Misuse of the Patriot Act a.. Gitmo a.. Black CIA sites a.. Cheney shooting a guy a.. No bid contracts a.. No body armor a.. Not catching Bin Ladin
Above bullets taken from: http://bushtheidiot.com/new1/?page_id 9
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Garage_Woodworks wrote:

Yeah, I bet, especially since it seems to be working.

Why? Aside from some issues with incompetence, he certainly didn't seem to be bent on accumulating FBI files for the president or staging a commando raid on an admittedly whacked out cult leader but at the expense of many lives or assaulting a Florida family in order to return a 9 year old boy to the Cuban communist paradise after his mother died getting him to freedom

Oh, maybe because within 30 minutes of the VT massacre, the anti-gun crowd had already started screeching for more gun laws?

Yep, state governors should listen to their advisors. And city mayors who don't evacuate their people with all available assets (such as school buses)

Eh?

Yeah, that's a whole lot worse than holding FBI files of your political opposition.

Oh please.

Yeah, that was a really *big* deal. Leaking no-kidding secrets to the NYT? No problem. Mentioning the name of a CIA employee (not agent, employee) whose husband had already disclosed that information. My Word! We need and Inquisition! Then we find out that the left-leaning Richard Armitage is the guy who "leaked" the name.

Perfectly within the perview of the sitting administration. The prosecutors serve at the pleasure of the administration.

Yeah, attacking Canada was a bad idea. Oh, we didn't attack Canada? Well let's see. Afghanistan? Taking down the Taliban was a very good idea. Iraq? You are aware that we were already flying daily missions over Iraq and dropping ordnance ever since the end of the first Gulf war? It would be so much better if Saddam were still in power with his sons torturing soccer players and shredding dissidents while his own security guard was still busy cutting out peoples' tongues and sawing off arms with sawzalls. yeah, that was the wrong place to go after. I guess it's better when you attack countries like Kosovo and Bosnia where we have absolutely no national interest.

Yep, let's all jump on the bandwagon of bad science because somebody made a movie.

Seems that got defeated.

You find a person who faked journalistic credentials more frightening than political donors whose means are inconsistent with their donations but who have ties to people from foreign countries who just might be trying to influence political candidates?

Really hung up on that bad science, aren't you?

That quieted down pretty quick when it was found that people from both sides of the aisle were beneficiaries

Well, yeah. And that one didn't fly.

So you believe in the throbbing memo? Fake but accurate.

First you're griping because he didn't do enough on 9/11, now you are griping because he's trying to stop the next attack. There is some debate regarding the illegal part vs. the legislative branch overstepping their authority regarding the executive branch

Wow GW is the root of all sorts of evil I guess. It's too bad he took exception to the idea of starving someone to death. Guess if she'd been in Gitmo, things may have been different.

You need to expound upon this

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How so? Has Bush used it to attack his opposition? What is wrong with attempting to prevent the next terrorist attack?

Why?


Be afraid, be very afraid

You realize that Bill Clinton issued those to Halliburton, right?

Why, is somebody coming after you?

When is the last time someone has seen him alive?

They seem to have left out the old canard about "tax cuts that only benefit the rich".
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Has anyone _testified_ that Wilson revealed that information?
Putting aside for the moment, the legal issues, what do youi think of the patriotism of people who expose three (3) agents for purely political purposes? What do yo think of the morality of attacking a woman for revenge on her hsuband?
I haven't seen any statement of a reason why Richard Armitage needed to know that information, hence the persons who told him mishandled classified information. Further, they passed that information to Armitage and others without mentioning that it was classified. The object of that exercise is clear.
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Fred the Red Shirt wrote:

You mean besides Armitage himself admitting it?

Aside from NYT innuendo, has anybody ever testified that they did what you said for the purposes you imply?

Here, maybe this will help (I kind of doubt it, but hey, due diligence and all):
* The man who "leaked" Plame's identity and her involvement in her husband's Niger junket to columnist Bob Novak and other reporters was not Karl Rove, Scooter Libby or anyone else in the White House. It was Richard Armitage, then deputy secretary of state. * Armitage's motives were not malicious. He is "a well-known gossip who loves to dish and receive juicy tidbits about Washington characters" and "apparently hadn't thought through the possible implications of telling Novak about Plame's identity." * It was from a classified memo that Armitage learned Plame worked for the CIA. But there was no violation of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act; special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald "found no evidence that Armitage knew of Plame's covert CIA status." (By all available evidence, Plame's covert status had expired by the time of her "outing" anyway.) * In October 2003 Armitage confessed to his boss, Colin Powell, that he was the "leaker." The State Department decided to withhold this information from the White House, because "Powell and his aides feared the White House would then leak that Armitage had been Novak's source--possibly to embarrass State Department officials who had been unenthusiastic about Bush's Iraq policy." * Some of that is undoubtedly Taranto's spin (tell me all about it in comments), but it's looking more and more definite that Armitage was Novak's source. If so, that raises a couple of questions, like "what was Fitzgerald (who knew about Armitage) hoping to accomplish with his investigation other than promoting his career" and "why didn't Armitage go public early on and save the Bush administration years of headaches?"
From: <http://www.lesjones.com/posts/003606.shtml
Other sources are available with the same information, this one was nice and succinct.
Bottom line, the administration had nothing to do with this "leak", it was done by the shadow government that's been attempting to undermine the Bush administration since its inception.

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Mark and Juanita, I really am tired of your OT blithering. You use this site for the wrong reasons. The topic is WOODWORKING. I, for one, would like to be able to enjoy this site for its intended purpose. I have no hope that you will change so I am unsubscribing. Roger
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