OT: We The People...

[HeyBub]

You got it wrong. I DID NOT say I liked it when Bush broke the law; I said Bush didn't break the law (regarding wiretaps). That's not MY opinion, it's the conclusion of every court that's looked into the matter.

Neither did I call Truman a socialist. I simply pointed out that in the last

100 years the only president to nationalize an industry, a la Hugo Chavez, was a Democrat.*

Hmm. Never seen that before.

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• Chavez, by the way, has nationalized several industries in the interests of "national security."

[HeyBub]

You're correct - I misspoke. I should have said "Of course, acting as Commander in Chief, the president may do as he thinks best..."

The presence or absence of a declaration of war has no practical effect on the president's powers.

[Jack Stein]

I guess Obama and his band of socialists haven't nationalized Ford Motor Co... yet.

[Lobby Dosser]

Ford was smart, they turned down the money.

[krw]

Right, and if the government didn't help Ford, they wouldn't have made it. Just ask Biden.

[Robatoy]

Ford made some very ruthless and fantastic corporate acquisitions. Everything they sell today has some element of what they learned from such outfits as Volvo, Jaguar etc. A brilliant stroke was the parallel developments of the C 30 Volvo and the Mazda 3. Then they recouped a reasonable chunk by selling one of the carcasses to the Chinese.

Somebody seems to know how to run a car company on a global scale. That Fiesta is going to kick some butt.

[Mark & Juanita]

I think Ol' Lonesome Joe's comment was something along the lines of, "If the government hadn't bailed out GM and Chrysler, then Ford would have gone under". Sooo, the government keeping one's competition from failing, thus making government subsidized cars available on the market helped Ford sell more of its cars. Get it?

/yeah, me either

[Lobby Dosser]

It simplified my automobile purchasing decisions for a long time to come.

[keithw86]

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I'm with you on that one (though I'm already happy with Fords and would not buy another Chrysler if you gave me the money). The problem is that SWMBO wants a Mustang convertible. ;-)

[Larry Jaques]

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:17:48 -0700, Mark & Juanita wrote the following:

Did you misspell "substandard" there in that last sentence, Mark, or just forget to include it? ;)

Ditto here.

-- To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle. -- Confucius

[Larry Jaques]

On Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:36:18 -0700, "Lobby Dosser" wrote the following:

I saw the handwriting on the wall the year before and started looking around. I ended up with a whole lot more vehicle (Tundra) and it cost $15k less than the equivalent Ford pickemup at the local dealership.

-- To see what is right, and not to do it, is want of courage or of principle. -- Confucius

[Jack Stein]

If you begin getting Lonesome Joe, you are in deep do-do.

Anyway, Government Motors is doing good, Making the 40 mile per charge Volt for a mere $42,000 while Nisson makes the 100 mile per charge Leaf for $32,000.

Perhaps some Obama fines are in order...

[Jack Stein]

Well think about this, Obama could PAY you $3000 to ride in a volt, send the bill to the taxpayers by simply printing up a bunch more wheelbarrows of money. A free car in every car port... how would that effect your decision?

[Robatoy]

p://jbstein.com

The Leaf is all-electric, the Volt is a hybrid with very limited 'all electric' abilities disqualifying it from the extra tax incentives and the ability to be driven in car pool lanes by just the driver alone. (In some states). IOW, GM shit the bed again.

[Ed Pawlowski]

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I don't see that a a problem, but a benefit. Get her the Roush model.

[Ed Pawlowski]

"Jack Stein" wrote

Check this out

OK so now we only get 30 miles or so and need a charge. They claim $1.50 a day, but here in New England, it is closer to 18¢ or more for that kWh. The

1.50 becomes 2.25 to go 30 miles. Many cars can get 30 mpg so it is about the same as paying 2.25 versus today's gas of 2.70 here. or a savings of 45¢ a day. If you commute 30 miles a day, 5 days a week you save 2.25 a week or $113 year. The premium for a Volt over other 30 mpg cars is easily $10,000. Wow, the payback is a mere 88 years.

[chaniarts]

let alone that i live in phoenix, need a/c about 9 months/year, and commute

60 miles/day. it could easily be 200 years for my payback.

[Mark & Juanita]

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Oh, but you get to feel so morally superior to all those other drivers on the road. *That* should be worth it, shouldn't it? I mean, don't you

*care* about our planet or are you just looking at the bottom line? [For the humor impaired, that was sarcasm].

Living here in Tucson, the lifetime of the batteries would be a serious concern. Normal auto batteries die after about 2 years, regardless of what the battery says it is. Cell phone batteries, if you leave the phone on, are degraded if you leave them in a car (I leave my cell phone in the car, but it's always off). It's hard to believe that the Volt batteries would not be degraded by long-term exposure to 110 degree plus heat.

[Ed Pawlowski]

"Mark & Juanita" wrote

I'm thinking of getting an old Prius and putting it up on blocks in the front yard so I can be a greenredneck

[Mark & Juanita]

:-)