OT - way OT - 3rd party

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On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:39:08 -0600, HeyBub wrote:

While I consider myself pretty much a moderate, the current occupation of the Republican party by the tea party and the religious right would drive me up a wall if I attempted to work with them.
That leaves the Democrats and their "we know what's good for you" attitude.
Sigh. It would be so nice if just once I didn't have to pick the lesser of two weevils.
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Larry Blanchard wrote:

The motivations of the religious right and a moderate conservative do not, usually, result in a conflict on the result. Take reducing welfare. The religious right may be motivated in cutting welfare claiming that should be the province of the charitable-minded in the community of the faithful. The conservative's inclination may be to reduce government expenditures by cutting-off those able to work. Two different approaches, same outcome.
Point is, the agenda of your colleagues should be irrelevant to the result. Why not a good result for both?
Consider the Keystone Pipeline endeavor. The unions want the jobs, the conservatives want the oil. It's a win-win even though the unions have no truck, generally, with conservatives and vice-versa.

You don't. On the election for president, there will probably be eight or more candidates (Communist, Socialist, Flat-Earth, etc.). Your choice, then, is between a vote that matters and one that doesn't.
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On Sun, 1 Jan 2012 18:02:42 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard

The self professed "tea partiers" on TV aren't the same as those out here in America, nor are their goals, nor is the TV coverage of them. Grab a copy of Rasmussen/Shoen's _Mad as Hell_ for more info. http://goo.gl/HfVOU It's an eye-opener.

Don't forget the "Pay Here" signs. Between them and Shrub, I think commas on pay stubs have been outlawed.

Methinks you misspelled "absolute evils". <sigh>
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"HeyBub" wrote in message

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Ah, but you can succeed - if you go about it the right way.
The libertarians have been trying the same thing for, what, 60 years with exactly the same result each time: failure. Recall the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over hoping for a different result. They have not won. They will not win. They cannot win.
The way TO win is to get involved with either the Democrats or Republicans. Change from within. =================================================================I really didn't expect that you would come back and confirm that you are a defeatist but, apparently, you are proud of it.
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<giggle> Yeah, we need to maintain the quasi-feudal path we've beenon, and keep calling it a democratic republic. Just ask him.
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There is a third-party movement afoot called America Elects. CNN has the following story today:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/29/politics/americans-elect/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
It will be interesting to see if this gains any traction.
Larry
On 12/29/2011 6:57 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:

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Perhaps. I view it with a cynical eye and raised eyebrow after seeing who started it.

Ross Perot, for whom I proudly voted, won 20% of the vote in 1992. That was our best chance. The Reform Party would have been our ticket out of this mess the totally corrupt Reps and Dems have brought us down to. BUT, the PTBs and Reps and Dems did everything in their power to see him out of it. They even threatened his daughter during the '96 race and made Perot drop out.
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:51:02 -0800, Larry Jaques wrote:

Seems to me to include moderates from both parties. Not necessarily my favorites any more than yours. But a lack of compromise got us where we are now in DC. I'm willing, are you?

FWIW, I voted for him as well. But I knew it was a futile protest. As I pointed out in a previous response the rules would have thrown the election into the house unless he got a majority of electoral votes.
That's why I suggested candidates for the house. While each state sets its own rules for house elections, they're generally less restrictive than those for presidential elections.
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On Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:33:05 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard

What, to compromise? ;) I'll give it a "we'll see", OK?

I thought the electorate was mad enough then to get the job done, but I heard it over and over again after the election "I just didn't know. I wanted someone I could trust." Like, gag me with a spoon.

Yeah, getting good people into the house and senate come first, and maybe even last. CONgress controls things, not the President.
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On Thu, 29 Dec 2011 22:05:02 -0600, Gramp's shop wrote:

It is interesting. But according to the article, they're concentrating on a presidential ticket. As the article says, "The U.S. Constitution requires the House of Representatives to pick the president if no candidate wins a majority of electoral votes." That pretty much dooms any 3rd party presidential run.
That's why I suggested running candidates for the house.
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Larry Blanchard wrote:

Specifically, it's the NEWLY ELECTED House and each state gets one vote. Right now, I THINK the Republican state majorities outnumber the Democrats, but I couldn't find that breakdown.
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