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On 10/22/2012 10:31 AM, Han wrote:

secret? Or, if you can tell us, how did you become privy to those secrets? What exactly do you think Romney would do that would push the country into a depression? What exactly do you think would happen under another 4 years of Obama that would leave us better off than replacing him would?
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They must be secret, because no one, least of Romney or Ryan are giving details. Anyone looking at them at face value says, they can't work as stated ... Like the tax returns Mitty is afraid to release because they would be fodder for the opposition.
Parenthetically, I really don't understand the Republicans. With a sitting president this vulnerable, they chose a moderate centrist, who disguised himself as Tea Party activist during the primaries, then did a 180 just a couple of weeks ago, and now continues to piss off people who are half the electorate with his retro-neanderthal antiwomen pronouncements. In the mean time he - well, I better stop here. There are sensible things in the Republican approach, things they can whip Bernie Sanders and his friends with so easily, but they get drowned out by the TP people.
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It's a good thing Obama and his wife have used such transparent practices on any and all of their data, huh?

The folks on TV are TP-INO. They don't represent the will or wishes of the rest of the party members to the slightest of degrees.
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TP-INO??? What kind of toilet paper is that? To me it was clear that the primaries were guided by the Tea Party idiots. And the Republican platform has a few beauties in it too.
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So, what has the glorious Obamassiah done to deserve your belief, praise, and respect, Han? Please be specific.
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Obama has at least helped to steer the economy out of the Bush-era financial crash and unemployment mess. Ever since about the middle of 2009, both private employment and the stock market have gone up. Less than hoped for, sure, but up. The deficit is going in the right direction, again, not fast ebough by far, but we still have tax policies to correct, and expenditures for wars to cut even more.
We have now Obamacare, which even Mitt says is good, but should be left to the states. I disagree with that, but then I consider this a single country, not a haphazardly cobbled together and internally fighting alliance of jealous individual nations. Sorry, just my opinion, I don't buy the States' rights stuff that would allow differeing treatments of individuals and corporations in different states.
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On 10/22/2012 2:41 PM, Han wrote:

The question 1jaques asked was, not what is the current state of the economy, but rather, What has Obama done? I too would like that question answered. You have referred generally to unemployment figures and the stock market. What has Obama actually done that has resulted in the economy being better than it would have been under a McCain administration (as that would have been the alternative)?
And yeah, the raw numbers of employed have increased, but the raw numbers of unemployed have increased even more. In other words, the total employment situation both in actual numbers and as a percentage of employable people is worse, not better, than it was four years ago.

Now I see the disconnect. You are living in an alternate universe.

Please provide a reference where Romney said Obamacare is good. I think this is another proof that you're in an alternate universel

That's exactly what the U.S. Constitution says should be done.

The states are not individual nations, but each state is indeed a sovereign government, with its own rights guaranteed by the Constitution.

Then your knowledge of U.S. history and the Constitution is sorely lacking.
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 15:54:56 -0600, Just Wondering wrote:

I don't know about his knowledge re the above, but he has a firm grip on historical reality. Most of the rights of the states disappeared as a result of the Civil War. As someone said, it turned "these united States" into "this United States". And the Constitution is either quoted or ignored as suits the politicians at the time.
It's been said since ancient times that most folks see things as they wish them to be, not as they are. That's never more true than in politics and religion.
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On 10/22/2012 04:01 PM, Larry Blanchard wrote:

Individual rights are a more recent casualty.
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You both say this like it's a good thing and should be expanded infinitely.
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On 10/22/2012 04:44 PM, snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

Hardly a good thing! Individual rights started being ignored by FDR and the latest assault by BHO has really picked up the pace. Of course, BHO believes in the collective rather than the individual.
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But that's hardly a reason to excuse those actions or to pass them of as just another milestone on the road to serfdom.

As does Han. It's the Progressives' thing. "You didn't build that!"
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Indeed, Bush didn't start the Patriot Act and unbridled surveillance, as well as institutionalize torture. (that was sarcasm!).
Balancing individual freedom and collective security is difficult if some individuals are not concerned with the latter. I don't know how one can instill respect for other opinions into individuals who don't care but for their own welfare. (that is a general statement, not aimed at anyone here!). Unfortunately, neither domestic nor foreign individuals are armed with just pocket knives and muzzle loaders these days. I wish I could have the answers to reconciling total individual freedom and security, but we are reminded almost daily of the idiocies of a very small number of individuals who seem intent on harming others. Not to mention the for-profit attempts of Google, Facebook and others to "use" our private data.
Thanks, guys for allowing me to state some of what I believe. After all is said, I do think we agree that individual freedom and collective security are ideas to work towards!!
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You really *are* clueless, Han.

Word salad.

You're lying, again, Han.
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Han doesn't believe in the Constitution. Rather, he believes it says what he thinks it should say, no more. No less. (IOW, it doesn't exist) That's the Progressive way.
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Keith, I signed up for a course on the Constitution. Unfortunately, it was canceled for lack of interest. I'm waiting to get back the tuition I paid. I will try to look up some of the books you guys recommended. It's OK to mention them again. I like the Constitution for what it says, such as that the SCOTUS has the last word, pending legislation by Congress that doesn't infringe. Where we disagree is whether the Constitution (with the Amendments of course) should be taken absolutely literal without taking into account that was impossible to predict technological advances since then, as well as a different environment socially.
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I pointed you to a good one but you weren't interested because they taught the *Constitution* not some loser's view of what it *should* be. Clueless.
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 09:49:48 -0400, snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:

Whereas *your* interpretation is absolutely correct - riiiight.
I find myself on the liberal side on some issues, the conservative side on others. As do most people. But whenever I see "krw" as the author of a post, I have no doubt what the tone of the post will be.
I only wish we had time travel so you could go back to the point where the Constitution was very young and see how you liked the reality as opposed to the fantasy you, and others, have constructed around it.
Those so-called rights in the Constitution, which applied only to white male property owners, lasted no longer than Shay's Rebellion, the Whiskey Rebellion, and the Alien and Sedition Acts.
As I said in a prior post, most see what they want to see, not what is.
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On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:14:17 +0000 (UTC), Larry Blanchard

Idiot. Try learning something from scholars on the issue. I know, like Han, you're not about to let that happen.

Bullshit. You're a dyed in the wool lefty.

Facts are facts. I don't sugar coat them.

You really are an idiot.

Ditto.
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There is no reason you should "sugar coat" your opinions. There is also no reason why you can't present them in a reasonable manner; i.e., without characterizing people as what you think they are...without ranting...without referring to people in a derogatory manner.
If you did that, your opinions might carry more weight. As you do it now, you come across as perpetually angry and inflexibly opionated.
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