With all the hub-bub over in ABPW over the illegal use of copyrighted
material I just can't ignore it anymore.
Theft is theft.
You can justify it any way you want however, its still stealing copyrighted
Would you tell your children that it was OK to steal?
Using that material puts the user in the same class as the people that don't
tell the waitress she gave them too much in change, switch tags at the
store, buy an item and use it once (by design) and then return it, waste
time at their employer's expense, cheat on their taxes and so on.
If your character is so easily purchased, then by all means, steal away.
The rest of society doesn't mind paying higher prices to support your
For those interested:
$10.00 gets you any issue in stock.
Remember the pawn shop/ebay thread, well this morning one of our number
(I can't say more without giving the game away) spotted a truck part
that looked wrong in the photo, looked a bit harder and compared details
with a reported stolen truck from 150 miles away, yep some bastard tried
to paintshop the details out, the authorities have been informed. But
not ebay yet so they don't warn the son of a bitch!
Ebay, no thanks, too many doubts....
Try thinking a little more clearly. He's not blaming Ebay, he's suggesting
that there's greater possibility of something being stolen because of the
anonymity of the Ebay process. Not the same thing at all of blaming them.
If the criminal element of this country is using ebay as a means to
dispose of their loot, at some point you have to take measures to
eliminate this means of enabling their criminal activity. Misuse of
the internet by an individual to dispose of stolen property is one
thing while a business enterprise that provides the means for criminals
to dispose of their loot is quite another.
If they take out ads in the local paper, do you shut down the newspapers?
How do you propose that eBay assure everyone that everything listed is from
100% honest seller? I'm sure they don't want to be tarnished and would
co-operate with the authorities, but it is no simple task to eliminate the
As well as the follow ups pointing out eBay will respond aggressively
if someone points out an illegal offering.
Ya wanna blame them for people offering $20,000 for a french fry that
looks sort of like Lincoln's profile? In fact they closed that one,
then put it back up again. Where's the crime!?
Find a line to draw, in there :-)
I have been offered stolen stuff at least 6 times in my life, every time was
late at night in a pub.
I like bars, so I hope you aren't suggesting we close them because they happen
to be one of the foremost places to purchase stolen stuff.
Drugs as well BTW.
Saying you won't use eBay because of the action of a criminal, is
depriving them of business for something that isn't in their
control. Punishing party A for party B's action, is irrational.
eBay is very good about terminating fraudulent auctions (and the
people posting them). Fix the system.
Looking forward to the day.
I hate the phone.
I always use the excuse I'm in the shop and can't hear it.
I let the answering service answer both my regular phone and cell.
If it's important they will leave a message or email me.
Perhaps, perhaps not...I tend to think that most folks who would stoop
to selling stolen goods won't be honor-bound when dealing on eBay,
either. Not a given, certainly, but as the old saw says about apples
But, indeed, it would be difficult to tell for certain that anyone is
using eBay to fence stolen goods--usually, though, in the auctions I've
looked at it has either been pretty clear it was personal items or
resale of liquidation auction items, etc., or various levels of
professional traders. I tend to stay away from the latter as many have
onerous policies. There are, I'm sure a lot who are legitimate, but if
they're pro's I've rarely found that the deals were worth the hassle.
In maybe 6-8 years of buying stuff on eBay, I've had exactly _one_ problem.
I don't buy from people with bad feedback from good people. I also don't
buy the sort of thing that seems likely to be stolen, I suppose.
You may have only had one problem, but that does not mean that you
have not purchased stolen goods. Unless the stuff comes with a title
how would you know (hell, even titles can be forged). I have purchased
brand new items in retail packaging from ebay. There is no way that I
can know if the guy is a legitimate liquidator, bought a lot at an
auction, bought the contents of a storage unit or simply stole some
boxes from the back of a truck. I certainly try to deal with up front
people, but I have found that the unscrupulous put on a better "honest
face" than many saintly honest people do and people selling stolen
goods which have a 100% profit factor often give better "customer
service" than people making 5% on the sale can afford to give. It's a
crap shoot. The best you can do is try to deal honestly and try to
give deals the sniff test.
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