OT Porter Cable Router $99.00 Amazon.com

 but still, it's a Porter Cable

That used to mean something 10 years ago.  Now you better do your homework.
PC is not what it use'ta be as they are becoming more and more hobbiest
grade.

Make that 20 years .... That started with their belt sander motor
bearings, then the smaller bodies on the 'production' routers. I gave
up on them after that.

Make that 20 years .... That started with their belt sander motor
bearings, then the smaller bodies on the 'production' routers. I gave
up on them after that.
------------------------------------
The ONLY belt sander that PC ever made that was worth a good fiddly
fuck was the "Choo-Choo", Model 504, which may explain why the don't
make it any more.

Personally burned out the 350 & 360 series units several times before
biting the bullet ($) and getting the 504.

Like someone said, today's Porter-Cable and POS have a lot in common.

Lew

"Leon"  wrote in message




Yes, sad to say.  It's the old formula, big company buys smaller company,
keeps the name, drops the quality.  PC might not be done to Black & Decker
level yet, but they're headed there.

Agree that PC quality has gone downhill. But I do believe they still make a
decent router. Have a few of the newer ones and have not had a problem yet
with any of them. The Cordless Drills and sanders are worthless. Like you
said do your homework and look at the reviews.

Guess you could make the argument I could buy 3 or 4 of these routers to one
of the ones you push, Festool :)

--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"

Man. 2010.1 Spring
KDE4.4
2.6.33.5-desktop-2mnb

I don't recall anyone here ever 'pushing' a Festool router. Most agree
that it is a nice piece, but just too much money.
In fact, I don't know very many people who own Festool routers. Just a
few.
Festool makes certain pieces of equipment that are simply 'nonpareil'
and I'm not talking chocolates either.
No manufacturer builds a line of tools that is the best at everything,
taking simple value-for-dollar into consideration.
Having said that, those routers from Festool are probably the best
routers out there, but hard to justify the money.
Same with that Kapex mitre saw... there are saws like that with  95%
of the performance for half the money.

Besides, there are those who don't deserve a Festool tool, just like
some hack fiddler doesn't deserve a Stradivarius.

Thats why there is a smiley face behind it. Ok maybe "push" was the wrong
word. Leon is always talkin Festool and Leon mentioned that PC was not what
they use to be, which is true. I just made a comment about the difference in
value to cost. Hell, I don't even know if Festool makes a router. Why is it
that there is always someone that has to make a big deal about something
that doesn't deserve it. Geeeeeeeeeeeez
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"

Man. 2010.1 Spring
KDE4.4
2.6.33.5-desktop-2mnb

Keep your shirt on, bro'. I didn't notice the smiley...my bad.... It
was neither a big deal, nor did I make it one.... just a gentle
ribbing. I was just trying to help you out by pointing out the error
of your ways before Swingman got a hold of you......>>>SMILY!!<<<

Myself... I am ordering a CEROS MIRKA because I am just too damned
awesome to be using that agricultural Festool brand. :o}

Ok I admit I wrote the response with my shirt off and in my boxers. Thanks
again for the heads up on Swingman, but I'm a big boy. Thinking I can handle
him. >>>>SMILY!!!<<<<<<

Nice sander!
--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"

http://rentmyhusband.biz/

Ahhh......,  but that begs the question, "Are there some hack fiddlers who
deserve Festools?"

 

On Mar 18, 2:13=A0pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast

IF the hack fiddler can't fiddle worth a fig, but he can make a nice
jewelry box...yes, he/she could deserve  a Festool. :-)

On Mar 18, 2:13 pm, "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam* at comcast
dot net> wrote:

IF the hack fiddler can't fiddle worth a fig, but he can make a nice
jewelry box...yes, he/she could deserve  a Festool. :-)


Like this'n?  ;~)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/4335052930/#/photos/lcb11211/4335052930/lightbox/  

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/4335052930/#/photos/lcb11211/4335052930/lightbox/

That's not a jewelery box. Admit it, you were making a tool box for all your
Festool accessories and decided it wasn't big enough. <g>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lcb11211/4335052930/#/photos/lcb11211/4335052930/lightbox/

That why I built 2  ;~)

On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 10:56:51 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy


Bingo. My gripe, exactly. (Half or less money.) If Festering dialed up
the profit number 20% instead of 200-350%, I wouldn't have anything to
gripe at 'em about.



The number of unworthies comes up to at least 80% of all violinists,
doesn't it, Toy?  Then again, a really nice tool can make a hack a bit
better, so what's the harm?  Now, -which- are the really nice tools?

--
A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on.
                                    -- William S. Burroughs

BUT... for many of their tools and dust-collection integration,
Festool is unbeatable.
Their sanders alone are unequalled.... and worth every nickel.
That's the feedback I'm getting, without exception, about the Tracksaw
System as well... again, another winner.

In powertools, across the board, you can't lose with Festool. Is their
jigsaw THAT much better than Bosch's? Are their routers THAT much
better than Milwaukee's? Is that Kapex (aside from dust-collection)
THAT much better than quite a few good sliders, like the Makita, newer
Bosch, and now that Milwaukee brute?
Does anybody else make a Domino? Well? Huh? I'm asking!!

Their cordless drills? Overpriced, IMHO, as is their electric
planer... but.. YOU CANNOT GO WRONG buying ANY Festool product..and
THAT, my dear C-less, is worth a shitload to a guy who wants
reliability and integration.... and has a solid enough business,
current and in outlook, that he can afford those expenditures.

Does Snap-On make shite? Will an ACE hardware store 2.00 dollar
screwdriver do?

On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:59:21 -0700 (PDT), Robatoy


one

Not to me.



"Not yet."  he stated, quite impatiently.



Reliability?  Even with half my tool inventory consisting of HF tools,
I've had very few tool dropouts, and those which did did so in the
first minutes of their lives.  How much better is a Festering sucker
than a ShopVac with an inch of water in the bottom + a HEPA filter?
OK, so it's considerably quieter. It's also ~$400 more expensive.



Not so much and no, respectively.

--
"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country
against his government."               --Edward Abbey

BUT... for many of their tools and dust-collection integration,
Festool is unbeatable.
Their sanders alone are unequalled.... and worth every nickel.
That's the feedback I'm getting, without exception, about the Tracksaw
System as well... again, another winner.

In powertools, across the board, you can't lose with Festool. Is their
jigsaw THAT much better than Bosch's? Are their routers THAT much
better than Milwaukee's? Is that Kapex (aside from dust-collection)
THAT much better than quite a few good sliders, like the Makita, newer
Bosch, and now that Milwaukee brute?
Does anybody else make a Domino? Well? Huh? I'm asking!!

Have you seen the new yet to be released Festool Jigsaw?  The battery
powered version willl work with any Festool battery that will fit back to
2006 and will use any voltage battery.  The LED light that strobes like a
timing light to give a better view of the blade and makes it appear to not
be moving when in an up right position.  The shoe comes off so you can
replace it with a "dial in your bevel angle" shoe that lets you lean the saw
over to the desired bevel, left or right, with out readjusting.  The base
forms a "V"  obtuse or acute.

http://www.popularwoodworking.com/article/carvex-a-tricked-out-jigsaw-from-festool?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PopularWoodworking+ (Popular+Woodworking)





Their cordless drills? Overpriced, IMHO, as is their electric
planer... but.. YOU CANNOT GO WRONG buying ANY Festool product..and
THAT, my dear C-less, is worth a shitload to a guy who wants
reliability and integration.... and has a solid enough business,
current and in outlook, that he can afford those expenditures.

New drill coming out also with right angle attachment,  $240-$300 range.

I guess if you were actually buying Festool and not pleased with your
purchase, you would have a gripe.  I cannot afford a Bently but don't
 gripe about that, and I would suppose their profit margin is the range you
believe  Festool to be in.