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I look at the merits -- or lack of -- of an argument.
Not much of a prism, here.
Not many merits to your arguments.
Most of you ... hell, most PEOPLE ... start with their preconceived position, and then reason backward ... if at all.
This place ... is a stellar example of that.
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Gee, Neil.
Good thing you don't do that!!!! All I have seen from your posts is to say that everybody else is totally wrong. No matter what. Whatever anybody says is wrong. Not enough evidence or things are preconceived or something: anything--just to say that they are wrong.
What are some solutions? Give some examples. Then don't whine if somebody else here disagrees.
I guess it is because you are "enlightened" and just know all. I don't know what your problem is but there is certainly a huge chip on your shoulder. One thing is for sure: you do not want any healthy, constructive dialog. You just want to jump on others with as little or less "evidence" than you are looking for from others.
I have an idea: why don't we talk about woodworking again? Somehow, I doubt of you have done much more than possibly build a popsicle house as a kid but maybe I am wrong and you can come up with something good.
I sort of miss the days of JOAT...
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I don't claim to have all the answers.
Think about that. Seriously.
I'm quite comfortable knowing that -- despite being hugely inquisitive, and a student of politics and current events -- I don't HAVE many answers.
The shit's hugely complicated, and intractable to simple solutions -- no matter HOW badly others crave them.
In fact, that's another real point of differentiation: I KNOW that there's a TON that I DON'T know.
But ... so many of you ... have it all figured out. It's just the goddamned liberals' faults.
Your accusation better fits your comrades, in truth.
Better to be silent, and thought a fool, than to speak up and remove all doubt.
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Incidentally, thanks for yet another classic example of all-or-nothing thinking.
"Everybody ?" "Totally ?"
Nah.
Not hardly.
I'm pointing out shit logic. I'm CORRECTLY pointing out shit logic.
Logic may not ALWAYS drive you toward "truth," but ... like the old saying .....
The race isn't ALWAYS to the swift, Nor the battle to the strong,
But it's a safe bet ;-)
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I must have replied to you instead of to the group because I do not see the post in here.
You were the guy who posted in here over the winter complaining about the jokes and stuff that were being told. You took it upon yourself to start policing the group and acted like a pompous ass back then.
You are doing the exact same thing now.
Remember: opinions are like noses--everybody has one. But whenever you address people with aggressiveness, do you really think you will foster any sort of relationship? You are living proof that sort of thing doesn't work.
Actually, I am almost ready to go back and find that thread from the wintertime. It may take me a while but I think I can find it. Maybe I can post all of those baby jokes again for ya.
Geesh. Learn to live and let live.
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Neil Brooks wrote:

You hide it well, or is that just your selective quoting style?

You sure blew his arguments away in this post...

Unlike you, who what, ignore your personal position and just fling the shit, I mean name calling

You certainly are, as are most of your empty headed socialist buddies...
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What makes me, or my buddies, Socialists, Jack ?
Please.
Do tell.
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Maybe you guys could get a room?
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HeyBub wrote:

Yeah, liberals (socialists) like Bush have contributed their part to failed, anti-American left wing programs as well.

I'm sure he thinks Bush did it, whatever it is...
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wrote:

It was in the early 1970s. Before Carter. Nixon and Ford were the Presidents.
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"Lobby Dosser" wrote:

Let's see:
Nixon '68-'74 Ford -74-'76 Carter '76 '80
Lew
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wrote:

Right, the "early 1970s" came sometime before '76 and somewhere between '68 and '76. ;-)
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That's right. Two Republicans. The Funny Farms were pretty much emptied before 1976.
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"Lobby Dosser" wrote:

Personally, I could never forgive Ford for pardoning Nixon, while he was still alive, but with perfect 20/20 hindsight, he obviously made the best decision for the country.
It cost him the election, but he still made the right decision in spite of it.
Lew
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wrote:

Note that it was not the feds that opened the doors.

I thought so at the time (and I never liked Ford - a do-nothing wuss). There was nothing positive that could have come from dragging that mess out.
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They made it Possible.
http://www.ssa.gov/history/pdf/ssi.pdf

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What does SSI have to do with it? It was the states, lead by MA, IIRC, that kicked them out of the *STATE* institutions because they could not be incarcerated if they were no danger to others.
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SSI made it possible for them to live on the outside and the state did not have the expense.
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Neil Brooks wrote:

How about 50% of prostrate cancer victims die under socialized medicine vs 15% in the USSA? That sure beats I've been to '49 states and Medicaid/Medicare works'!

What is "pathetic" is watching the democratic party, once a semi-fine American entity turn into an Anti-Amerikan, left wing, socialist group hell bent on "fundamentally changing" (destroying) the only country on earth that recognized and empowered the individual.
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Thanks for putting words into my mouth. No surprise, there.
Busbus ? If you were at all objective, you'd also call people out for this sort of bullshit, but ... not holding my breath.
Does prostate cancer define the efficacy, or cost-effectiveness, of an entire health care system ?
I don't HAVE to have answers. It IS hugely useful to point out to people that -- while they THINK that THEY DO have answers -- those answers are based on shit logic and bad information.
Case in point: judging two health care systems -- in their entirety -- based on a single metric.
Bad. Not smart.

As always ... thanks for proving MY point.
Black/white, all-or-nothing thinking.
Any problems with your own party, Jack -- whomever/whatever that might be ?
Hard to imagine.....
Easier to believe that ALL the ills in the world are the sole responsibility of the Democrats, isn't it.
Maybe you need to challenge yourself, more ... avoiding easy answers -- particularly where they really don't exist.
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