OT: No taste for Coulter/Beck-style hate speech.

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Calling her goodlooking kinda lets the air out of the rest of position.
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That's not what Reagan said, he claimed the ballooning federal deficit was the single biggest disappointment of his presidency.

You are way off. The consequences extended into Bush 41's presidency, even Clinton's, but it hit while Reagan was in office. It turned out that deregulation that allowed S&Ls to do things formerly only banks could do-- but without the regulations banks are subject to--wasn't such a great idea. Come to think of it, sweeping deregulation (or an existing lack of regulation) often seems to precede a massive economic crisis--ain't it amazing how it works out like that?

I recall. I liked Reagan, but I'm not willing to pretend some of his policies didn't cause a lot of problems further down the road.

Not exactly. Reagan's power lay in his ability to peel away enough Democrats from their party that in combination with Republicans they could move legislation through Congress against the wishes of the party which actually had a majority. But it's the White House that proposes budgets, and the President who signs legislation, or vetoes it if he thinks it's a bad idea. So there is no way to credibly claim that the staggering increase in the federal debt over Reagan's presidency is something he had no control over.
Yes, rebuilding the military was a valid concern, but so was kickstarting the economy, and health care. Why does military spending get a pass when economic stimulus or keeping Americans out of the Emergency Room is automatically something not worth borrowing for?

Kind of hard to reach across the aisle when the folks on the other side have only one thing on their minds: the next election. It might amuse you to read up on the tactics the Republicans used to pass prescription drug legislation back in 2203, then get back to me about pushing through legislation without reaching across the aisle.

Yup, thanks for confirming my theory.
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Well, I see you didn't attempt to answer my other post.
The reason why the building the military was a big concern is because that is one thing the Federal Government is supposed to be responsible for--one of the few.
I am going to say it again: you can get and do and be whatever the heck you want in this country, you just need to have the will do do it and want it and be it. Nothing that is worth it is easy. I hate to say it but you need to work for what you get. I am sorry there are so many people out there who need more money to pay for health insurance. I'm sorry there are so many people who are out of work. I am sorry for a lot of things but this bill was not the right thing nor was it the right time to do it.
Answer me this: If this damn bill is so freaking good, why in the world are Obama and the rest of the high brass in Washington EXEMPTED from it? Why aren't they forced to use it? That is glossed over.
Answer me this, too: Why isn't there any cost savings in that bill? Real cost savings? Why didn't they work to reduce tort reform? You talk about crooks, don't tell me lawyers don't do their fair share of fleecing the health care system. Why didn't they look into intra- state portability to naturally increase competition? Why didn't they look into things like helping small business band together to buy health insurance at a lower price? Why rip it apart?
And to keep this thread sort of on-topic like Robatoy said, Glenn Beck is an example of somebody who was a down and out drunk who got himself together and worked like a dog to get to where he is today. You may not like his viewpoints nor his mannerism but you have to give him kudos for remaking himself like a Phoenix.
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Oops, what a moron I am...this computer was signed into Google with somebody else's ID. Sorry Megan!!
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Didn't see it yet, don't make assumptions without evidence.

News flash: this is no longer a largely agrarian society with a population of two and a half million. Government has grown because we have a bigger and more complex society--you don't have to like it, but that's the way it is. If it bothers you enough then move to Somalia, they've done a dandy job of getting government off their backs over there.

Hogwash, there are millions of people who are born so far behind the eight-ball that's it's amazing they survive at all, and many don't. Some people are able to drag themselves out of the deepest holes with hard work and some luck, others never get lucky. Go tell some single mom working two jobs to keep her kids fed and clothed that she just isn't trying hard enough, then get ready to run.

I'm sorry the cost of health insurance has doubled in the past fifteen years, I'm sorry health insurance companies absorb far more for administrative overhead than in any other industrialized nation, I'm sorry our taxes and our insurance premiums go to pay for ER treatment for the uninsured instead of regular clinic treatment which is far cheaper, I'm sorry Americans pay more for health care than anyone and yet have shorter life expectancy that people in many wealthy nations....
Not the right time to do it? How many people are you prepared to see die until you figure it's the right time?
The German army historically kicked the crap out of every European army they met in part because they taught their officers and NCOs that in a bad situation the worst thing you can do is nothing--better to try something risky than just sit there and wait for some Russian to walk up and drop a grenade down your shirt collar. You can't outwait trouble, you have to do something about it.
So while I think the health care bill is flawed, and needs plenty of repair, waiting another year or two, or five, or ten, simply wasn't an option. Nixon wanted universal health insurance provided by employers, and that was forty years ago. The system is broken, it handicaps American business with crippling employee health coverage (it cost GM $1,200 less to build a vehicle in Canada because they have govt. health insurance there), it kills and sickens millions of Americans who can't afford insurance, it bankrupts hundreds of thousands Americans every year. The Republicans controlled Congress for a decade, and what did they do for health care other than an unfunded prescription drug program that prevents Medicare from negotiating lower drug prices as the VA does? We're supposed to leave it up to those clowns?

You're surprised that politicians take care of themselves? Have you only recently arrived on this planet?

There are, not enough in my view, but the CGO says it will reduce the deficit. Republicans love to quote the CGO when they agree with it, lately they're less eager to do so--what a surprise.

I thought Bush's proposal for malpractice lawsuit reform was a good start, though I felt his cap was too low. If you ended up in wheelchair for life with a feeding tube in your stomach because of a surgeon's blunder would you figure only five hundred grand would cover that? However I agree that really breathtaking punitive damages are counter-productive, awards should be limited to actual costs of medical care, loss of wages and a reasonable amount for pain and suffering, not awards running into the tens of millions of dollars that primarily enrich lawyers.

You mean the way banks became able to pick and choose which state they would base their credit card operations in so they could find a state that allowed any interest rates the banks wanted, any fees and penalties they wanted? Sure, that worked out great for the consumer, didn't it. The former governor of Delaware has said he thought it was a fine idea at the time because of all the banks that set up shop there; later, when he realized it allowed the banks to fleece Americans he had a change of heart--too late.

You mean the co-ops Obama wanted?

Glenn Beck is someone with a history of doing anything to get ahead with no regard for the harm he causes, and that hasn't changed since he sobered up. I do not admire someone who will lie through his teeth and pander to people's fear and prejudices in order to make money. I don't like it when Michael Moore does it, and I don't like it when Beck does it. I've tried watching Beck several times but I can't do so for long, he is so transparently phony, and his overheated rhetoric is so childish (the bulletin board with the pictures of Mao and Obama and Stalin side by side) that it's like a bad comedy. It's depressing as hell to think that millions of Americans are taken in by that little creep.
But considering that Harris just did a poll in which one in four Republicans surveyed said they believe Obama may be the Antichrist, I guess we shouldn't be surprised that Beck is able to find millions of angry morons to buy his line of bullshit.
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Oh, for Craps Sake! I just looked at your profile and I'm wondering how the hell you ended up here with your bullshit. And the list below is just your very short term stuff. Your posting history is absolutely impressive. But I have ask a few questions:
1) Do you own a table saw? If not, a hand saw? 2) Given all of the groups you hang out with, why settle here with this diatribe? 3) Would you consider moving all of this kind of rhetoric over to rec.outdoors.rv-travel. Those guys have already clobbered up that group with endless OT and Non-OT political crap. You would be welcomed with open arms.
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And I'm wondering who is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read it?

I do not own a table saw, no room. However I have a circular saw, a jigsaw, a reciprocating saw, and at least a dozen hand saws of which my favorite is one of those Japanese pull-saws.

"Diatribe" being something you disagree with.

Or you could learn not to read threads that cause your spastic colon to flare up. I don't use multiple screen names, sunshine, so you can killfile me and never see a word from me again. Try it and see.
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DGDevin wrote:

Geeze! So many misapprehensions in one paragraph.
* "... health insurance has doubled in 15 years" - So has everything else. Money invested at 7% will double in TEN years. * "... insurance companies ... more administrative overhead than other countries..." - Insurance companies are one of the most regulated businesses in the country. I'm sure that contributes greatly to the overhead. * "... Americans ... have shorter life expectancy... than many wealthy nations" - Life expectancy is not the best metric for measuring health care. A) Many people die before the health care system can get involved: auto accidents, executions, gang warfare, ordinary warfare, etc. B) Many nations count premature infant deaths as "stillborn." We don't.
A better metric is life expectancy after diagnosis. Here the U.S. stands WAY above most countries with most illnesses. For example, the five-year survival rate for breast cancer is better than 90% in the U.S. compared to 56% in the UK.

Something less than, say, eight million.

We have medical tort reform in Texas. There is NO cap on pain and suffering or economic loss. There IS a cap ($250,000) on punative damages. Medical malpractice insurance rates have DROPPED every year for the past seven years and we've seen about a 12% increase in the number of physicians practicing in the state. Some counties where there wasn't even ONE OB/GYN eight years ago now have several.

That's called "competition" (between the states).

Credit cards are slightly different from health insurance; nobody was FORCED to get a credit card.
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HeyBub wrote:

The big reason for this is the hospitals get paid a TON more money if a baby is live and then dies.

Yeah, but this is good for population control, right?
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Your income has doubled in the past ten years? Cool, congratulations. How about your utility bills? The interest rate on your savings account? The price of a cup o' joe?

Then why are other wealthy industrialized nations able to run their health insurance with much lower overhead? Why does the AMA say that administrative overhead in private insurance companies is three times higher than in public health organizations?

Riiiight.
American health care tends to be good at dealing with catastrophic illness *if* you have good insurance. On the other hand if you have no insurance at all, or if your insurance company decides to find an excuse to cut you loose rather than pay for your treatment, then you have a problem.

Cute, just so long as you aren't one of them huh?

Sounds good to me. As I said, I'm in favor of such reform provided it is equitable.

That's fine if you believe that profit and only profit is the ultimate arbiter. But in civilized societies we figure sometimes the public good has to supersede private profit, that's why we have things like anti-trust laws, banking and insurance industry regulation, fire and health inspections--stuff like that. Of course there are those who would do away such laws if they could.

Very true, although try renting a car sometime without one. Of course we regulate all kinds of things people are not forced to get, but then if you believe any kind of regulation is a bad thing then you won't find that persuasive.
BTW, do you know which party once thought compulsory health insurance was a good idea?
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/03/27/national/w000626D51.DTL&tsp=1
New health insurance requirement ... was GOP idea By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR, Associated Press Writer
Saturday, March 27, 2010
Republicans were for President Barack Obama's requirement that Americans get health insurance before they were against it.
The obligation in the new health care law is a Republican idea that's been around at least two decades. It was once trumpeted as an alternative to Bill and Hillary Clinton's failed health care overhaul in the 1990s. These days, Republicans call it government overreach. [snip]
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Megan Kinzler wrote:

That's easy. If it smell like a pig then it must be a pig. The fact here is there won't be enough doctors to deal with any of this bill.

Another easy answer. The Dems and Obama's agenda is to destroy the Insurance Companies in order to move to Single Payer or Govt.Option.

My hope is that Beck is wrong, but what if he's right? When I look at the folks the Pres. has surrounded himself with. I get a bit concerned that it's all about a plan to fundamentally change this country for the worse. They couldn't do it in the 60's when they wore tie/dye and no power. Now with suits and ties and power watch out!!!!!
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Evodawg wrote:

Simple solution is to do what Robocop does, stick your head firmly in the sand, or some other appropriately dark spot, and lock Beck off your TV. Or, you could just close your eyes, cover your ears and whistle Dixie so you have no clue whats really going on.
When I look at the

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So you worship and admire Beck. You can. Just that I don't subscribe to insane crazies like him. And that is MY choice. Are you, Jack, trying to MAKE me watch Glenn Beck?
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Robatoy wrote:

I don't worship anyone. Beck is great though, and so far, what he and his team has uncovered and exposed for all to see awesome and unchallenged, other than a few douche-bags calling him names and making up shit about him. You don't know this because you have your collective head stuck where the sun just don't shine.
Just that I don't subscribe to insane crazies like him.
Yeah, thats the ticket.
And that is MY choice.
Well yeah, so far. Is Beck on TV in your sorry ass country or has has your government censored him as hate speech?
Are you, Jack, trying to MAKE me watch Glenn Beck?
Nope, you are a joke to me, I am trying to keep Free Speech alive so I don't have to listen solely to Larry King, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN and other left wing, socialist organizations. Stick your head in the sand all you want, but I want it to be by choice, not by some socialist, collective government trying to control the people before the killing begins.
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Actually, I'm quite sure there's a corollary to Godwin's Law about those who invoke "Socialism," or any variation on the word, repeatedly in their posts ;-)
Although labeling IS easier than thoughtful and objective analysis.....
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Neil Brooks wrote:

Actually, Godwin's law wouldn't apply if you used the word NAZI in a discussion about NAZI's.

Labels are shorthand used in thoughtful and objective analysis rather than long, tiring, repetitive descriptions.
For example, instead of labeling Obama as a "socialist", I could say Obama, who favors a large, centralized government that controls the means of production rather than capitalism, an economic system in which investment in and ownership of the means of production, distribution, and exchange of wealth is made and maintained chiefly by private individuals.
I find it much better just to use a short, descriptive label. YMMV, so suit yourself....
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First thing you've written that I can agree with.
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Steve wrote:
New at this aren't you?
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When Obama became head of the Harvard Law Review he mightily pissed off the "progressives" there by appointing many conservatives to editorial positions--the progressives assumed he would do the exact opposite. Thus it shouldn't have come as a surprise that when he became President he appointed many people that liberals were not happy to see given high office. He kept on a couple of Bush-era Republican cabinet members, he put prominent veterans of Wall St. in charge of economic policy, he chose an EPA head with a reputation of being heavily pro-business and so on.
But what do we hear from clowns like Beck? Obama has surrounded himself with socialists if not outright communists, just wait, he's going to put a hammer & sickle on Old Glory any day now. Sure, there has been at least one appointee who maybe deserved that kind of accusation, that goofball Van Jones--anyone from the 911 Truther camp shouldn't be trusted with a driver's license much less a federal appointment. And the administration richly deserves to be embarrassed over attempted appointments of people who had neglected to pay their taxes properly, but that is hardly proof of them being part of a left-wing plot, is it.
I don't know where this national obsession with conspiracy came from, but it sure isn't a good sign of the mental health of the republic.
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