Thanks for the reply. I take it that your stove can be *VERY* air tight? My experience in burning branches from downed trees is if the wood is dry the fire is intense and short. I'd love to use some of my pine to hit my gara ^B^B^B^B shop. In a few weeks, I will have our band mill out on my property which should generate some waste useful for burning.
Wes
snipped-for-privacy@lycos.com wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@corp.supernews.com:
Yes the stoves are *VERY* air tight. I would not have it any other way. If they are not, they are a danger, waste fuel, and useless in being able to have fine control over the burning process. You control the intensity of the fire by controlling the draft, and dampner controls.(the chimney has to be proper length also) If you have the dampner and draft controls set right the "fumes" burn inside the stove, and just heat escapes up the chimney. Yes, pine burns faster, but you can control the rate of burn very precisely once you have toyed and balanced the relationship between the draft and dampner controls. It is a balance act between the two, and the proper generation of the fire itself. Another words once you have the fire alive, you tame it. If you have a "limp" fire to start with you can not control it's outcome well. The problem with some stoves is, they do not have a "true" dampner, you install one of them flimsy stove pipe types.(horror) You should be able to shut down a real stove in the middle of a raving fire, by shuting off the drafts, and then the dampner, and have the fire start choking on itself without any smoke bellowing from the stove. That is an air tight stove, when you can do that.
Kruppt
I've experienced lots of chimney fires. (A 32 foot chimney, moderate temperatures, high humidity... worst possible conditions to cause lots of cooling, condensation, and creosote buildup.)
With a damper-controlled wood stove, they were easy to stop... just close the intake damper, and the fire smothered.
The mortar isn't going to "melt" under the heat of a flue fire. It might crack and break, allowing an exit path for hot gas. Even if the house burns down, the chimney is likely to remain standing. The real danger from a chimney fire is the shower of gooey burning tar-like creosote showering down on the roof.
Kevin
I'm not sure if the story is true or not. I think it probably has at least a grain of truth to it though.
I'd have real trouble cutting trees for firewood unless I was very cold. I have problems cutting trees for lumber too. Hard to reconcile being a treehugger with being a woodworker. :)
My boss would surely agree with you though. He has 90 wooded acres. Owns a knuckle boom and various other equipment, much of which he cobbled together himself out of scrap metal and salvaged hydraulics. His idea of relaxation is spending the weekend cutting down trees. Some for lumber, some for firewood.
Can't say that I would enjoy that. I wouldn't enjoy butchering my own cattle either. I guess hypocrisy can be a coping mechanism.
Thinking back on this, I'm visualizing a pink, badly photocopied brochure from a chimney sweeping service fishing for business. They probably painted a bizarre worst-case scenerio and made it sound like it was going to happen to you tomorrow.
Kevin Craig wrote in news:310820032209482577% snipped-for-privacy@pobox.com:
Now that's a pretty good pull!(32' chimney/draft)
Thanks for clearification Kevin. Silvan had me goin' on that one! I have heard a lot of "stories" on this chimney fire/pine deal.
I pictured the fire reaching some amazing temps, that exceeded a iron smelting furnace or sumptin'! LOL! Once I started burning pine, all the "nay-sayers" came and told their stories of horrors. I see you have one of the basics down, just shut off the freakin' oxygen source! LOL! Not having a good shut down source on a stove/fireplace is like driving a car with no brakes!
The showering sparks from the gooey burning tar-like creosote does sound like a more plausible cause.
Another thing I could see being a problem is if someone had a chimney fire in a chimney made of regular stove pipe, that was not replaced on a regular basis, and had been corroded thin from creosote, and then they have a chimney fire in one of them flimsy, tin stove pipes. That would burn down a house real quick.
Kruppt
Silvan wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@giganator.family.lan:
I don't, as a matter a fact, if we had been thinning and clearing out the forests all along, we wouldn't be having these multi million acre fires all over the place now, and we would have plenty of wood to enjoy. True Woodsman, care for the land, they don't just go in and start cutting any, and every tree down. They manage the natural resource, making sure that the forest stay strong and healthy, so others can enjoy them into the future. This bullshit, that every Woodsman is a tree butcher, is pure BULLSHIT.
There is a "key note" in there some where, and most people don't get the clue, and humility of it. To stay alive YOUR KILLING SOMETHING, wither it be green things, blood filled things, or bugs, we survive at the cost of another living thing. To bad more of this yippee generation and their siblings, didn't have the opportunity to grow up on a farm, so that concept would be drilled home into their brilliant minds. Then I wouldn't have to listen to their self edified bullshit in these regards. Saving this and Saving that, I care just as much or more than they do. The difference is they don't get it, To Live something Dies! Funny thing is, most live in homes, built with lumber, but they want to stop others from doing likewise, Yeah I'd say there is a bit of hypocrisy in this type of mind set.
I have no shame, I have humility in the face of this reality. If I really "cared" more for the -other- living things, (than myself) I would kill *myself*, so the -other- living things could live, and not I upon them. ( then I would not be a hypocrite )
Kruppt
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