On Apr 26, 3:18 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org (Doug Miller)
I don't think that's entirely fair. He goes on the attack / defence
when some religious try to meddle with science, etc, but I wouldn't
say he has an out-and-out disdain and contempt for believers. He's
known to attend ceremonies which include religious aspects.
Did he say that after knocking on your door? No? You mean you had to make
an effort to read or listen to what he said, but you're still complaining
that it was an unwelcome intrusion? Well then no, I didn't mean Steven
Gould etc., and acting as if that is equivalent to what I posted is you
trying to move the goalposts.
I'm not exactly a fan of the ACLU, but rather than claiming they are
"pro-atheist" it would probably be more accurate to say they are opposed to
the religion camel getting its nose into the state tent. The ACLU has no
problem with you wearing a religious symbol, or displaying one in your home,
or on your gravestone even in a state-owned cemetery--the problem arises
when the govt. finances or endorses or promotes the display of a religious
Besides, if you contend that the ACLU never acts on behalf of those wishing
to express their religious faith within constitutional bounds, you are
September 20, 2005: ACLU of New Jersey joins lawsuit supporting
second-grader's right to sing "Awesome God" at a talent show.
August 4, 2005: ACLU helps free a New Mexico street preacher from prison.
May 25, 2005: ACLU sues Wisconsin prison on behalf of a Muslim woman who was
forced to remove her headscarf in front of male guards and prisoners.
February 2005: ACLU of Pennsylvania successfully defends the right of an
African American Evangelical church to occupy a church building purchased in
a predominantly white parish.
December 22, 2004: ACLU of New Jersey successfully defends right of
religious expression by jurors.
December 14, 2004: ACLU joins Pennsylvania parents in filing first-ever
challenge to "Intelligent Design" instruction in public schools.
November 20, 2004: ACLU of Nevada supports free speech rights of evangelists
to preach on the sidewalks of the strip in Las Vegas.
November 12, 2004: ACLU of Georgia files a lawsuit on behalf of parents
challenging evolution disclaimers in science textbooks.
November 9, 2004: ACLU of Nevada defends a Mormon student who was suspended
after wearing a T-shirt with a religious message to school.
August 11, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska defends church facing eviction by the city
July 10, 2004: Indiana Civil Liberties Union defends the rights of a Baptist
minister to preach his message on public streets.
June 9, 2004: ACLU of Nebraska files a lawsuit on behalf of a Muslim woman
barred from a public pool because she refused to wear a swimsuit.
June 3, 2004: Under pressure from the ACLU of Virginia, officials agree not
to prohibit baptisms on public property in Falmouth Waterside Park in
May 11, 2004: After ACLU of Michigan intervened on behalf of a Christian
Valedictorian, a public high school agrees to stop censoring religious
March 25, 2004: ACLU of Washington defends an Evangelical minister's right
to preach on sidewalks.
February 21, 2003: ACLU of Massachusetts defends students punished for
distributing candy canes with religious messages.
October 28, 2002: ACLU of Pennsylvania files discrimination lawsuit over
denial of zoning permit for African American Baptist church.
July 11, 2002: ACLU supports right of Iowa students to distribute Christian
literature at school.
April 17, 2002: In a victory for the Rev. Jerry Falwell and the ACLU of
Virginia, a federal judge strikes down a provision of the Virginia
Constitution that bans religious organizations from incorporating.
January 18, 2002: ACLU defends Christian church's right to run "anti-Santa"
ads in Boston subways.
Oh oh, we're back to that dimly-remembered non-example.
Again, they come to your door to do this?
Your problem seems to be that you reject the idea that there is a
constitutional separation of church and state and thus anything that serves
that end is automatically invalid. Sorry, it doesn't work like that. If
the Supreme Court says there is an individual right to firearms ownership,
then that's the law. Likewise if the court says there is a wall between
religion and the state and a particular policy violates that wall, again,
that's the way it is. We all have our views, but in the end there are nine
people who decide what the Constitution does or does not say, and they seem
to think that separation between church and state is real whether you agree
with them or not.
If you can find any, sure. But don't forget the ones carrying placards
reading, "The Anti-Christ is in the White House"--they have their own brand
of nutcase religious foolishness to bring to the table.
Don't forget he's responsible for that new mental illness, Obama Derangement
Syndrome. It's an interesting condition, in the mind of the sufferer if the
stock market goes down it's because of Obama, if the stock market goes up
it's in spite of Obama--so no matter what happens or doesn't happen, the ODS
sufferer's delusions remain intact.
There's an number of people who think, no matter what's the actual
cause, if the market goes up it's because of Obama and if it goes down
it's in spite of him. And that whatever bad happened in 2010 or will
happen in 2012, it's all Bush's fault.
Atheism is not a religion. It is simply a belief in the nonexistence of
deity. As a belief, it is based on faith, something many atheists are
unwilling to admit. However, faith in the existence or non-existence of
a thing, without more, is not a religion.
I did a search on "Is atheism a religion?" and found these:
Strange but true:
I'm not an atheist at all. But simply taking the nonexistence of deity
on faith does not make atheism a religion, any more than believing in
the heavenly father of Jesus as God, makes a Muslim a Christian.
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