... and to paraphrase one of my college math professors many years ago:
"Statisticians are mathematicians hired to prove statistically what they
can't prove mathematically" ... or words to that effect. :)
I did read it. It is basically BS IMHO. Temperature, humidity, and wind
all have a different effect on individuals. Temperature is absolute.
"Feels like" is an averaged interpretations which means nothing to any one
Well, actually, when one looks at the data, the "feels" like comparative
data aren't spread as widely as you might believe...I don't have the old
data sets any longer (this was only about 40 years ago) but the
correlations had quite respectable correlation--which implies that the
"average Joe" feels pretty much the same way as the other guy at the
I think the power of a suggested "feels like" is more influential. I bet
you could put the feels like 1% greater than the actual and the average Joe
would agree. Since the average Joe could not tell you what and actual temp
feels like any way, adding the "feels like" has him fooled also. What
shocks me is that many people think the chill factor of 31 degrees F will
freeze water when the actual temp may be 40 degrees F.
Before you know it there will be a Wind "Feels Like" factor. It really
would fall right in place.
There already is---it's the "feels like" factor and that is termed the
wind chill. It's part of the same correlation. While I'll grant there
are uneducated and ill-informed who misuse it or don't understand, it
has some value for those who do. The wind chill is significant for
personal safety in that it does have a relationship to how much faster
the body is cooled by wind as opposed to still air, which is a real
But how many people know how many gallons are in a barrel? People can sort
of visualize 100,000 gallons. But say that it's 2380 barrels, it means
nothing to 95% of the population, I'm guessing. At least, it means nothing
to me. Yeah, it's a smaller number, so it's not so sensational. But it's
also more relevant to people's lives.
For that matter, you don't see weather stations broadcasting hot
temperatures in degrees Kelvin, do you? :) Gee, look, its 298 degrees
outside! Or, even better 536 degree Rankine (never heard of that till I
looked up the conversion for Kelvin).
You obviously have never been in a storm bad enough that you thought you
were going to die in. 100 mph winds are wimp winds. It is the sustained
150+ mph winds with downward micro blasts that hit the ground and spread out
at 180 mph that get your attention. Then mix in the tornado's. I became a
believer on my 3rd hurricane when I was 15.
Precisely...as I noted in a different response, the difference between
100mph and 150mph windspeed is more than one can comprehend unless one
has seen it. For starters, since force is proportional to velocity
squared, the actual effect is something like twice the effect, not
simply 50%. The buildings w/ sheet metal roofs simply would have gone
away, tires and all.
Having seen a sizable number of tornadoes from F0 to F3, the one or two
F4 and F5 monsters are simply not believable unless one has actually
seen the results. Pictures simply do <not> convey the result
Sorry, you're wrong. I've been in super-phoons, and I grew up with
tornados. I've been sandblasted a lot of times and lost roofs. I've
been glad to have a concrete root cellar. I've also done stupid things
like chasing down tornados and watching the suspension on my F-100 from
the underside. As I said earlier in the thread, it's a question of how
this are dealt with.
Dave in Fairfax
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Spokane weather tends to be a bit on the boring side. In 18 years here
there's been one ice storm that was a pain, but that's all. Mt St
Helens did go off a few years before we moved here, but even then all
Spokane got was a lot of ash. A few winters we get a lot of snow, but
the locals take that in stride.
So once or twice a summer we have a "thunderstorm" where we hear 3 or 4
rumbles and that's it. When we (rarely) get one that might make a
halfway decent "thundershower" in the east, we invariably get a front
page picture of lightning and a "massive storm" headline :-).
That's what I thought in "the east" (while in TN)...headlines would tout
50 mph wind gusts as strong--we think a 50mph wind just a "strong
I did see some of the most impressive lightning shows there, but most
often the actual storms were pretty routine...
Stupid enough that they keep building 'em up and the weather knocks 'em
down. Sure glad our benevolent gov't keep throwing money at stuff like
this..... Geez. I see this is another excuse to raise oil prices too. Damn
rigs will be shutdown for what, 12 hours?
How about this; You live in any kinda tornado, hurricane, volcano alley that
if you home gets demolished by natural causes you get funds for one rebuild,
One! After that your on your own. Start living in grass huts. I don't care
who you are your not gonna beat mudder nachur..
(best Teutel dialect applied)
I have to ask, just where the hell do you live where there are no
It's one thing to build in a flood plain, I'll agree that's stupid
but there are a half dozen or more entire (or nearly entire) states
in Tornado Alley, and an equal number of entire states vulnerable to
Throw in most of the West Coast which is at risk for earthquakes and
volcanic eruptions and what you have left of the US is at risk
It's impossible, I live in snow/tornado country. I'm properly insured, my
home is contructed accordingly. My point is simply personal responsibility.
Without starting a whole new sideways thread, it's clear to me my taxes are
going to pay for this mess. Screw that it's all going to get blown over
again likely before they recover from this one. I know that there's history
there but sometimes you need to cut the loses and walk away.
To some extent I agree, but...there's no way we can do w/o a major port
at the mouth of the Mississippi. That a major residential area and city
should be below sea level is perhaps a problem. In general, some risks
are necessary, but there should be an incentive now to reconsider how to
better deal w/ them going forward.
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