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<< American Chopper['s] ... evolution has been to a point where the soap opera part was almost intolerable and then has receded a bit to where Senior is far more human and the "drama" seems almost contrived as a parody of itself. But the Paulie/Vinnie/Rick dynamic is really good and I really enjoy watching them fabricate.
On the other hand, the sister show (same channel, same producers) American HotRod has basically imploded. Although it's just television, they've managed to make Boyd Coddingtion look like a narcissistic martinet>>
Your assessment of both shows is right on the money. At least neither has succumbed to what I have dubbed the "Discovery Channel Curse." On at least three other shows of the same ilk, one major player met with an untimely death last season. There was the fairly young hotel manager on American Casino who suffered a fatal heart attack. Then the big doofus on Wing Nuts died (possibly of a drug overdose??) in mid-season. And finally, from the Great Biker Build-Off, frequently featured bike builder Indian Larry was killed while stunt riding.
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It had a new episode scheduled, according to TiVo, and then, it didn't happen. A 'Monster House' episode showed up in the time slot, and there are no Amer Hot Rod's on the schedule.
Without the ffwd on the TiVo, it had become unwatchable. Overhaulin' had stolen it's creative thunder, too.
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 22:45:04 -0500, Patriarch
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Heh. Given the way Coddington feels about Chip Foose, I wish someone would tell him that on-air, just so we could watch his head explode.
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You don't think that the 'defections' have been greased by Discovery producers? ;-)
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 08:22:29 -0500, Patriarch

Dunno. Overhaulin' is on TLC...is that the same parent company? Let's see if the any of the former AHR guys show up on future Overhaulin' episodes. But in any case, there's apparently some serious bad blood between Coddington and Foose. At least as presented on the respective shows, Foose seems to be a nice guy: he's good and he knows he's good, but he doesn't beat people over the head with it. Coddington comes across as a nearly-complete asshole, and whatever gaps he has in his assholitude are filled in nicely by his sidekick Duane.
The stated problem for Charlie (the body-shop guy) was that Coddington was more concerned with doing the job "right now" instead of doing the job right. He had no real beef with Coddington, he just wanted a chance to do the kind of work he thinks he's capable of, not just what those artificially insane schedules would allow.
It would be interesting to know (1) what the customers for those cars think about the bullshit that went down during the build and (2) what kind of problems the cars had afterwards. (I've noticed several of them sitting in the background of the shop during later episodes.)
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Overhaulin'
Charlie did the roadster the Foose won the 'Riddler' prize with, shown on 'Rides'. And he did the black Mustang for the fellow in the wheelchair on the episode of Overhaulin' that I saw last evening for the first time.

That may be due to the way the production schedule went. I'm pretty certain they don't work serially.
Cars like that are almost completely about ego, anyhow. Completely unlike woodworkers and their tools, I'm certain. ;-)
Patriarch, with obviously too much time on his hands...
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Patriarch wrote: ...

Actually, it would be interesting to me to see some concentrate on interior design and woodwork as in some of the oldies like the Packard, etc. Did a couple of restorations for an acquaintance while in TN. Lots of neat work there.
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No question about that. There are all sorts of subspecialties in our craft, and there are intricacies to learn from masters of each of them. I caught just a snippet of a piece on DIY network the other evening, where a master was making a violin bow. I'm going to have to set the TiVo to see if I can catch another showing of that one.
One of the fellows in my woodworking club has added some nice wood accents to his Ford Ranger. Teak or mahogany, I think.
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On Thu, 01 Sep 2005 18:26:09 -0500, Patriarch

I think thats the "Hand Made Music" series. So far as I know they have about four or so projects--Lynn Dudenbostel (I think that's his name) has made a guitar and a mandolin as I recall, and they made a violin at the Chicago School of Violin Making, where I suspect that bow episode was done.
DIY usually doesn't do repeat episodes daily like a lot of networks (irritates the bejeezus out of me), however they do repeat the series frequently, so you'll see it again in a couple of months or so. I think that's usually on Sunday evening about 2200 and now that I think of it, they do repeat that around 0100 Monday.
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On Wed, 31 Aug 2005 02:48:57 -0400, "Lee Michaels"

The s**t part of the whole thing is that pretty much the entire steel fabrication industry in my area seems to think it is now a god-given right to act like a bunch of dumb jerks ala OCC. It's almost funny to see a 90-lb middle manager try to act like Paul Sr, but it gets old really quick when you try to work in that kind of environment.

I liked the commanche one an awful lot... that was a beautiful machine- though I quit watching that shlock because of the stupidity of the way they treat each other.
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Gentlemen....
Before we get going with a real donneybrook, may I suggest a bit of background. In 1993 and again in 1996, massive flooding was experienced by good many, in the Ohio, Missouri and Mississippi river valleys.
Charged with controlling the flooding, the Corps of Engineers had produced a truely astonishing engineering feat. Levees were constructed all along the mighty Mississippi. The river had been contained, except...
When heavy rains created what would have been a local flood, the water was contained upstream and, as a result downstream levees had to be raised again and again to cope with the ever increasing flow. (Not only more water, but the flow rate was actually increasing due to lack of turbulance from the smooth levees)
It was becoming a self-defeating problem. Build a levee upstream and then raise all the levees downstream. New Orleans is about as downstream as you can get.
A classic unintended consequences situation developed over the decades....
The Corps (along with other Federal agencies and a goodly number of private sources) began a serious reassessment of the policy. Several small villages were actually relocated...out of the flood basin. While I know of no levees that were actually destroyed, (except in a couple of instances in 1996 when a few levees were breeched in rural areas to relieve pressure on urban levees downstream), the Corps simply notified people that they would no longer maintain some levees.
The levees that breeched in New Orleans had been fully maintained. They just failed. Had New Orleans actually received the brunt of the eye wall winds and storm surge, ALL the levees would (probably) have been inadquate by ten, maybe fifteen feet.
New Orleans sits in a depression. The only possible way to guarantee no future flooding would be to haul in a few billion cubic yards of dirt.
New Orleans will get hit, again.... Boloxi will get hit, again... San Francisco will have more earthquakes, some of them serious.... Kansas (Nebraska, Oklahoma, Texas, etc) will have extremely destructive tornadoes... North Dakota will have destructive blizzards....
It doesn't matter who is in the White House, Congress, or the local barber's chair, for that matter...
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Thank-you for that bit of fresh air. ... and the sitting president will be praised for his compassion by those who support him when he visits the victims of those disasters and cursed by those who oppose him as being an opportunistic cad for using a disaster for political gain.
[leaning back in the barber's chair]
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"Robatoy" wrote in message

I'll certainly catch it when I have the time for TV, usually while waiting for supper, and in lieu of local news or tragedy TV.
Who'd a thunk anyone would watch a metal shop soap opera? However, when you scratch the surface, you soon notice that it has all the characters, and many of the elements, of a Shakespeare play. From an obvious King Lear, demanding attention and attempting to exercise unlimited power, to the buffoon who is more than he appears. (shouldn't be hard to figure out the cast from that). And while I would knock the Teutles head's together if I had the chance, you have to appreciate a guy like Vinnie who, philosophically speaking, represents all the those in the world who actually get things done despite the bullshit they have to put up with.
I'll also admit to sitting in a somewhat continuing wonder that metal, although the tolerances are so close, seems a much more forgiving medium to work in than wood.
My bet is that most wooddorkers watch American Chopper strictly for seeing the end product emerge from a pile of raw material, which is what we do ... and you gotta appreciate the parallels of the shop, the tools, and the big iron.
If nothing else, a study of how you can rationalize what you find interesting as worthy of your attention, despite the blanket it's wrapped in.
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I do recall one episode where Paul Jr. was beating on a bike with a pretty heavy hammer to get something to fit.

It is nice when the finished product comes together. I like Biker Build-off better. Two shops competing. In a couple of cases, one bike broke down or did not start on the deadline and the other shop would win by default. Nope, the guy that could just walk away a winner refused to and in fact helped his competitor to get going to the finish voting. Proving again that life is more than having a trophy.
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<<It is nice when the finished product comes together. I like Biker Build-off better. Two shops competing. In a couple of cases, one bike broke down or did not start on the deadline and the other shop would win by default. Nope, the guy that could just walk away a winner refused to and in fact helped his competitor to get going to the finish voting. Proving again that life is more than having a trophy.>>
Something similar in terms of sportsmanship took place here in CT at the Buick Championship golf tournament last weekend. On the first hole of a sudden death playoff between Brad Faxon and Tjaart Van Der Welt, Faxon hit a clutch shot from a fairway bunker that landed just a couple of feet from the hole. Then Van Der Welt hit a shot that clanged off the flagstick and landed almost as close. Despite the fact that if one of them won the hole he would win the tournament and eliminate the other, the two competitors high-fived each other en route to the green.
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In a couple of cases, one bike broke down or

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Of course it is, life is about making it a better tv show. All of these shows are about setting up a false, overblown "competition" and allegedly watching the contestants try to beat the clock or each other.
It started with "Survivor" of course, anyone with half a brain could figure out that if a group of people were truly stranded in the wild that they would need to find a way to work together to survive, not form alliances and lie cheat and steal from one another.
Of course people working together to solve problems and help one another, doesn't make for good television.
You ever wonder how much more good could be done if the brain trust behind those home make-over shows worked with communities in need instead of building those god-awful testaments to shitty design and Ty Pennington's ego that look good on TV?
All of these alleged reality shows are a very sad commentary of modern life.
"Hurricane Survivor" coming this fall...catch it...
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You'd think they'd learn not to fit stuff to 0.005" tolerances and then send it out for powder-coating.
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"Lee DeRaud" wrote in message

Hehe ... now who's gonna clean this damn monitor off?
Now you know what I meant about the initial comparison with "brain surgeons". LOL
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Lee DeRaud wrote:

But where'ed be the "drama" in that? I don't give a fig for cycles in general and certainly nothing for these but a SIL is infatuted--what can I say, he's like an 9th-grader at 30 :( -- he insisted on watching an episode while I was visiting--20 seconds of yelling at each other was enough to send me out w/ the granddaughters to the playground across the street... :)
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Even before the days of powder coating, I remember watching my dad and granddad replacing some part on the baler. Part wouldn't fit until they filed the paint off the mating surfaces.
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