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That's a tough one.

Understand short time, but did it help seem to help?

OK, I grew up in Wayne County, Ohio, which has some of the most productive farm land ib the USA..
It was/is a rather wealthy as well as conservative place back in the 50's.
Used to tell the story about the guy they found dazed and walking along a country dirt road.
A neighbor kid, found him aand took him up the lane to the farm house.
Talked to him for a while and found out he was a democrat.
They had never seen one before, couldn't figure out how to help him, so they shot him to put him out of his misery.

Sounds like you have the bases covered.
Does that package contain a "Contact" sheet that contains name and phone # for the following::
1)Closest blood relative 2)Closest physical relative 3)Paster/Priest/etc 4)Personal Physican 5)Name of person/s living there 6)Funeral home if burial arrangements have been made 7)Whatever else I have forgotton that would be useful
That contact sheet was my mother's idea. Had one on the fridge, and at least 2 others scattered around her place, pinned to the drapes.
Whoever responded to an emergency had at least some basics.

I'll have to check that out; however, since mom has progressed to the point where she is in a nursing home, covered by Medicaid, may be OK.
Appreciate the tip.

The "Adult Protyective Services" group took care of all that for mom.
Without them, we were clueless.
That was the reason I suggested them up front; however, seems you've managed quite well on your own.

Can understand your frustration, as well as your mental exhaustion.
The old adage applys, "You can take a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".

One of my favorite responses to the old sympathy ploy, "Sounds like a personal problem to me".
Maniplative people are stopped cold by that one.

Yep.
I must say, I'm very fortunate.
Today, my mother and I have had a relationship where we have stayed out of each others day to day lives while maintaining an adult mother/son relationship.
It was not always that way, but then what do you expect from a couple of bull headed krauts.
Even today, while her body is shot, her mind is sharp.
I keep telling her, Ma, we need to jack up your mind and drive a new body underneath.
There are many less fortunate who have started down that slippery slope to senility.
Lew
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Lew Hodgett wrote:

Just last May, FIL stumbled on the landing of his home and laid there till late the next day. Had he been wearing his Medic Alert he might still be with us today. It was laying on the kitchen table 6 steps up and another 10' away. Diabetic, dialysis, 85. And I missed the opportunity to thank him for allowing me to marry his daughter 31 years previously.
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How very sad. Worse, it might not have had to end up that way.
I truly believe that will be the fate of my father as he has spent as much as 2 1/2 hrs on the floor without being found when Mom is napping. He struggles until he cannot move, and is so weak he cannot make a noise loud enough to wake her up.
What a crappy way to end a life.
Robert
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

Yes it is. And it's their choice? Question mark is there for what I think is an obvious reason but I'll explain it below.
Dad passed away last spring and Mom at 84 suffered some heart problems a few months later. Nearly did her in, but she rallied. When she got back from the hospital, one of my sisters moved in with her for a few months. Sister is gone now, and we've convinced Mom to get a Panic Button.
Apart from the dog, she's alone in a big house. She "claims" she wears it all the time. Who knows...
It took a lot of talking to get her to even have a sales guy call about the button. She doesn't like it cause it won't work 300 yds from the house. I don't blame her and can't understand why it wouldn't work anywhere.
Regardless, I think she simply doesn't like the idea of having the damned thing and would rather die when her number comes up. I don't have a convincing argument against that kind of outlook. I'm a bit of a fatalist myself, and don't believe in fighting the odds at that age. I love my Mom and will cry a lot when she goes, but I also know that one of her counters to the button is "What's it going to buy me? It might save my life the first time, but what about the next?"
Again...no way to convincingly argue against that....YMMV.
Tanus
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I feel for you. We just went through that with my wife's parents, both in their mid-80s. Not much of the WWII generation going to be left shortly.
I got a TracFone about four weeks ago. When I finally got the POS activated, it wouldn't work out of my home or shop. In fact, the closest spot I've found for it to work is on the order of five or six miles away.
In four weeks, I've managed to use 15 of the 140 minutes I got. I bought 120, they gave me 20 as a bonus for activating online. The minutes run out 7/14. As soon as the minutes are used up, the phone goes in the drawer with my first cell phone, unless I happen to be standing on or near stone, brick or other masonry when the minutes are done.
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It is tough seeing them get old however both are in great health considering their age. Both get around without any aid and dad makes it to the grocery store 2 -4 times daily. ;~)

I looked pretty closely at the Tracfone for a few weeks and decided to go with AT&T. While a bit more expensive I don't think any one of the 5 of us has had a connection problem. I am sure being in a big city has a lot to do with the quality of service. 4 of us ended up with Sony Ericsson Walkman phones and my sister went with a Nokia IIRC. The Sony phones do so much that they just so happen to work as a phone also. ;~) I turned text messaging and internet service off on all units so that "dad" would not run up a big bill. He connected to the internet 18 times in the first 2 days and was not aware that he had done so. The Tracphone seemed too complicated when sharing minutes between 5 people, had I been the only one, there would probably be one in my posession. The salesman did indicate that 98% of all people that go with a pay as you go type phone end up upgrading to a monthly service. The phones we got were relatively cheap, the $300 each Sony phones were $30each and the $200 Nokia was $10. Then the monthly service is $100 per month for all 5 phones + those fees and taxes. Because we all are AT&T land line customers we can call each other on the cell phones or land line with no cost in monthly minutes at any time.

That was the biggest problem I had with pay as you go phones. I did not like the fact that whether your minutes were used or not you had to "recharge" every so often to keep the service up and running. As it appears we will probably use the phones more but will probably end up with a bundle of minutes in 12 months. I think I will call some one in Japan to soak up some of those minutes later on. LOL
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Well, in all honesty I am already starting to see this as a tool. When my friends started getting cell phones about 18 years ago they were complaining about $250 per month phone bills and the phones were not being used for business. They also worked for me and in no way ever used the telephones for the business. They simply wanted to be able to talke to each other while driving to and from work. That was where I got my bad taste and for the most part most don't have the need.
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With gas at $3+ a gallon, quick phone calls to make sure your vendor has the material or tool you need in his hands before you get there is a must. I have always called ahead to save time, but now do it to save gas as well.
One of the great things that happened to me when I finally realized I wasn't too important to field my own calls was that I could fire my secretary. I was the one that wound up training them on them on how to be a good office manager anyway, so I knew what to do to make th office run smoothly. When I finally had enough of employees, it was just me an her in a small office.
I let her go, closed the office, and gave the guys that worked for am a raise with the money I saved on rent, secretary salary, three phone + one fax line, etc. With a smaller company, I could start keeping my own books again, keeping tight rein on materials and scheduling. I found that to my taste, bigger was indeed not better.
And I am happier as >>everyone<< knows my phone number. No one calls to chat though, as I have a dim view of that, and I won't answer the phone at all when I am with a customer doing an estimate, or making my pitch.
Two things have kept me in business through thick and thin for years. The cell phone so I can be "Johnny on the spot" as needed. When I first has my phones, people thought THEY were the big deals because they had my mobile number. Just one or two contracts a month paid for the phone, and in crisis prevention it was and is priceless.
Second would be the computer for making it possible to easily keep books, mind materials, estimate, do job cost analysis, write contracts and correspondence, keep the company books, generate reports, and to research just about any topic to name a few. We have come a long way since I got my first peanut in '87. Now I send invoices and contract to clients via email as a pdf. I can change or modify an entire contract in minutes as opposed to sitting down and rewriting the entire thing. I don't send off for technical data, I simply download it as needed.
I am always ready to embrace useful technology.
But, I know what you are saying, Leon. Honestly, there are just a couple of guys I know that are like me and use it for business/ emergency. Years ago it was indeed annoying to see people yakking it up on the phone as they always carried an air of importance about them when they we on it, even though they were probably just getting instructions on what to get for dinner that night.
Now of course, with 12 year olds having phones as a right of passage, who cares...
Robert
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I have been using computers since 1978 and go tmy first PC in 1985, I honestly do not know how poeple get by with out spread sheets and financial programs. Before the end of 1985 I had 123, Dollars & Sense, a word processor and a CAD program. Having a PC is part of the reason that my wife and I became totally debt free 11 years ago. We know exactly where we stand all the time.

For me cell phones have a bad name because a vast majority of the people are discourtious when using them. If some on is driving like an idiot or obviousely not paying attention, he might be a cell phone user. If the teller is staring at the next in line and the next in line is in never never land, he might be a cell phone user. ;~)
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote: ...

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Sounds like you're about 5-10 years behind. It goes w/ the territory and at some point we'll be there as well barring the alternative of ceasing to have birthdays entirely.
As you said early, while you're in the process of dealing w/ this for them now, also be making those preparations for yourself. In particular, don't overlook LTC insurance.
BTDT as have untold millions of others before us...
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I am a hands on kind of guy. I was literally one of the first few hundred that had a cell phone in San Antonio back when they were simple repeaters, somewhere around 1979 - 80. They weren't actually cell phones at all, but radios tapped into a switching module on a tower. It was truck mount only. The calls were so expensive that I never gave anyone my number, but carried a pager as well so I could be found.
Later, I had a commission only gig selling and monitoring interim financing loans for a SnL. I stepped up to voice pager, but my territory was so large I got my own phone ($300 each month for service, and the phone was about $1500) and would drive to the top of a hill and pull over so I could get decent reception. These weren't really cell phones either, but two way radio repeaters.
I went with McCaw, and bought blocks of minutes in my next job which didn't last long. The phone was great though and it kept me from being tied to the office.
Back into full self employment, I kept that phone. I discovered two things:
- My clients like talking to me when the have a question, and I like putting out any fires that might start right off the bat. I also like direct, no the spot, instant communication with my subs and vendors
- I cut down on miscommunications as well as employees. With my cell phone now, I don't have or need a secretary, and my clients really like the fact they can call me anytime. It is a great selling tool for them to think I am always in arm's reach. As long as they don't abuse it, I am perfectly fine with them calling anytime for any reason. My cell phone is on my card right with my office number
All of that makes my life much easier. Not to mention that it make my life exponentially easier when my aging parents are ill and I am the liason/point man for two sisters that aren't in attendance. Plus... Dad seems to fall a lot these days... lots of emergencies...
Thinking about it now, I guess I have had a portable phone for almost 30 years... wow... where did that time go...
I don't know what I would do without one.
Robert
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wrote:

3 cells, one home phone, one fax. VOIP, Skype, MSN, 6 e-mail accounts, smoke signals and war drums, morse code on car horns, a complete collection of signal flags, all of them ringing and puffin' and buzzing telling me that MaryAnn from Gilligan's island is a pothead.
I think Lew is on the right track. I also have too many keys.
*singing*
She was a level-headed dancer on the road to alcohol And I was just a soldier on my way to Montreal Well she pressed her chest against me About the time the juke box broke Yeah, she gave me a peck on the back of the neck And these are the words she spoke
[Chorus:] Blow up your TV throw away your paper Go to the country, build you a home Plant a little garden, eat a lot of peaches Try an find Jesus on your own
Well, I sat there at the table and I acted real naive For I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve Well, she danced around the bar room and she did the hoochy-coo Yeah she sang her song all night long, tellin' me what to do
[Chorus]
Well, I was young and hungry and about to leave that place When just as I was leavin', well she looked me in the face I said "You must know the answer." "She said, "No but I'll give it a try." And to this very day we've been livin' our way And here is the reason why
We blew up our TV threw away our paper Went to the country, built us a home Had a lot of children, fed 'em on peaches They all found Jesus on their own
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Usually I am up with your alliterations. But where in the hell (who in the hell?) did that come from?
Robert
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wrote:

I read into Lew's post that his dream is a life without clocks and keys. I got lost in that concept of 'no keys'... too many keys _is_ indicative of a complex life... just never thought about it that way.
The name of the song is Spanish Pipedream by John Prine. His dream was to blow up the TV and throwing away the paper and live a life with fewer hassles. To have the kids fend for themselves etc. (that song also has a great line in it: he knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve.)
That would be my dream. To be a Free Man In Paris, with nobody calling me up for favours, no-one's future to decide. (Joni Mitchell)
No keys, no clocks, no phones, no news bringing me down... a dream alright.
I tried to chase that dream when I took an early retirement and tried that whole freedom 55 thing.... some of us just have to be productive..and I will probably die doing something constructive... call me type-A. Angela pointed out that one of my chairs was worn..but only the front 2" of the seat cushion....LOL
Angela and I also take care of two of my parents, both 86. Fortunately for us, we have no worries about stolen checkbooks and jewelry. We are dealing with a care facility with the highest moral and ethical standards one can hope for in a government-guided-controlled environment. The care and management is simply superb. Say what you will about socialized health care, but this part of it we got down pat. (Socialized and socialist are not the same, imho.)
That whole 'no-key' concept was something I equated with freedom...I think Lew is a latent hippy. :-)
r
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I read into Lew's post that his dream is a life without clocks and keys. I got lost in that concept of 'no keys'... too many keys _is_ indicative of a complex life... just never thought about it that way.
I carry "1" key and it fits my Tundra. I use push buttons to get into the house.
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Actually, I push buttons to get into the house as well. Mine is a Weisers..It has been flawless for 8 years now..but it does have quite an appetite for batteries. It is also a a very strong bolt.
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Actually, I push buttons to get into the house as well. Mine is a Weisers..It has been flawless for 8 years now..but it does have quite an appetite for batteries. It is also a a very strong bolt.
My door locks still require keys but I go in through the garage and let the remote in the vehicle or exterior key pad open the door. I have noticed the finger print readers for the entry doors and can see those being useful. IIRC you can program it to work for up to 50 fingers prints and only work at specific times for each finger.
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Interesting! I am not too familiar with Prine's body of work, although I like some of it a lot. I tend to think of him in a much darker >vein<.... if you know what I mean.

Me too. I am quite content with my mental picture of Lew as my guy in robes walking the earth. Maybe a slightly cranky guy in search of truth, but hey... no picture is perfect!
Just kiddin' Lew.
About the robes, anyway.
Robert
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snipped-for-privacy@aol.com wrote:

I do know what you mean. That was early, angry Prine. He then grew into what he is today. Much lighter, very creative and very funny at times.
The two 'must-have' CD's are:
The Missing Years (He got a Grammy for that one)
Lost Dogs And Mixed Blessings
His most recent CD, Fair & Square, also won a Grammy, but I found it a bit uneven. It is growing on me though.
Let's just say that Prine has a way with words.
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THAT is the Prine I know. I remember rolling over the verses in his songs many a time trying to find out why he got to where he was. I never knew why he was so bitter. Truthful to the point of pain, but really bitter.

Whaaa....??? Funny? I am thinking of some Carlinesque word play when you put those two together.
I remember reading an interview with Pete Townshend a few years ago, and he was talking about some of the songs they had written and how he felt about them today. He said he wasn't really sure why he was so pissed off. He blamed it on imbalanced hormones and drugs.
He did note that the angry songs sold the best of all genres to late adolescent and twenty somethings. He said he just go tired of being pissed off all the time, and sighed.

Agree. I may have to check out the "must haves".
Robert
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