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Sorry for an OT (off topic), but I think word about this should get around.
A guy has found an easy way to split water into hydrogen and oxygen.
http://www.glumbert.com/media/saltwater
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He's from my hometown. The cancer machine is big news, and some want to use tax money from the new casino here to fund it. I hadn't heard about the hydrogen thing, though.
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KIMOSABE wrote:

It's really a device to split investors from their money.
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That looks great.
Unfortunately I have heard of similar simple fixes. The oil companies will pay him off and that will be that.
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 21:06:23 GMT, "Leon"

The real problem is the lack of information. Whether it's viable or just a scientific curiosity depends on a lot of information that has not been provided.
How much power is required to get the reaction started? (How big a battery to start the car?) If it needs 2KW of microwave energy for 10 minutes to start the reaction, you're looking at a huge (and heavy) battery. Can the reaction generate enough power to be self-sustaining? (Once started, can it continue to run?) It has to provide power to keep the reaction going, plus power to move the vehicle and power to recharge the starting battery.
The Stirling engine is an attention getter, but they generally don't provide enough power to move even a small vehicle.
The Tesla coil is an impressive display of "transferring" electrical energy without wires, but no one is powering vehicles or driving water pumps that way because of the inefficiency. The efficiency of burning saltwater has not yet been determined ;-)
John
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Also if it can split salt water into H2 and O2, where does the chlorine and sodium go? Does it pollute more than current technology?

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On Thu, 31 May 2007 18:49:13 -0400, "EXT"

I'm 60 and I did this as a seventh grade science project (with fresh water and an acid additive), using a battery and carbon rods. Science teacher wouldn't let me do it with salt water, because of the release of chlorine gas.
Very impressive for the judges as I would lift the collection tube of hydrogen off the, rod turn it over and put a match to it and get a pop from the hydrogen burning.
However, the energy in was greater than the energy out, so no big deal here. Frank

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This one may be more viable, and works with unsalted h2o.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070518/sc_nm/fuel_hydrogen_dc ;_ylt=AgaoNZAON_MmxnkDggTmV6PMWM0F
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Amazing how stupid the media can be. Obviously it takes more energy to break up the water then is produced by burning it again. Is RF any more efficient than electrolysis? Very unlikely.
The cancer cure is probably just as silly. It is possible that the metals might be selectively attracted to the tumors, but he probably didn't determine that at 3am. And if they are, then it would probably be better to attach something toxic to them than to try to heat them with RF.
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Just someone's scam, don'tcha know. Not that I wouldn't want it to be true, mind you. Tom
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There are lots of easy ways to split water into hydrogen and oxygen. Too bad that every one of them requires more energy than is produced by recombining them into water.
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snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com says...

There isn't anything new about splitting water into hydrogen and oxygen, then burning the hydrogen.
Trouble is, it's impossible to get as much energy back out of burning the hydrogen as you have to put into the water to decompose it in the first place.
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KIMOSABE wrote:

I think there must be something else going on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to remember that the flame produced by hydrogen burning is nearly colorless?? What was making his flame so red?
Wayne
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NoOne N Particular wrote:
| I think there must be something else going on. Correct me if I'm | wrong, but I seem to remember that the flame produced by hydrogen | burning is nearly colorless?? What was making his flame so red?
WAG: There's a surplus of hydrogen available and the flame is cooler than if there'd been more oxygen.
Kind of like the way an acetylene flame changes color (colour, eastponders) as you adjust the oxygen flow on a welding torch.
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It was "salt water". So there is sodium around, which would color the flame orange. elementary, my dears.
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Han wrote:
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|| WAG: There's a surplus of hydrogen available and the flame is || cooler than if there'd been more oxygen. || || Kind of like the way an acetylene flame changes color (colour, || eastponders) as you adjust the oxygen flow on a welding torch. || | It was "salt water". So there is sodium around, which would color | the flame orange. elementary, my dears.
(Being glad I said "WAG:) Doh!
Thanks, Han.
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snipped-for-privacy@pacbell.net says...

The salt.
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Here's a Prof at Purdue using a metal and water combination...
http://news.com.com/Producing+hydrogen+with+water+and+a+little+metal/2100-11392_3-6184879.html
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wrote:

But, but, but as a mineral, alumin(i)um is usually found as an oxide. It wasn't until after an expensive, energy-intensive way was found to free aluminum from its oxide that the metal became really useful. It is true that aluminum forms a protective oxide layer when exposed to air (in contrast to iron, which gets an autocatalytic layer of rust that eats further and further into the metal).
Freeing up hydrogen by letting water react with aluminum seems an uneconomical way to generate fuel.
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Where did the RF energy come from anyway? In the article some guy talked about 24 VDC, cell towers, etc. generating 400 watts. So what??? That energy is dispersed so much that, by the time you get a few hundred feet from the tower, its down to milli or microwatts. Did y'all notice the HUGE machine that was producing the RF in the article? Was that "free energy"? I can't beleive how gullible people can be. The only positive thing about it is that if the news media is busy being suckered in by stuff like this, they aren't out there starting any wars.
As far as "new" goes, Tesla had it first, anyway, at least the RF part.
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